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Sounds like prison.

Minus the "full education, rehabilitation and work/social training facilities"

When people say education are they talking Chinese style "reducation" camps that they use against minority groups with dissenting views to teach them what a good citizen and right thought is or actual education giving people skills that hopefully lead them to a better future?

Given how hard it is to get a trades person and the plan to build 1.5m houses in the next 5 years, you'd think there is a massive opportunity to upskill people and set up an employment scheme to shift people to where the jobs are. Hopefully a proper industrial strategy that Labour are proposing will also help but that will take far longer to move investment to communities that need it.

Sounds very much like an open prison, which is fine if you're convicted of something and that's the sentence, otherwise I'm very much less keen.
We need to get a UBI off the ground, people will be far less susceptible to shouts of "they're taking are jobs" if they don't have to worry about not working, maybe they'll take the no pressure free time to educate themselves, maybe they'll go to the pub, but be less angry and feel less hopeless, and do less racism.

Minus the "full education, rehabilitation and work/social training facilities"

I mean, yeah, a good prison.

I think at some point government need to decide either we plan to reindustralise and create jobs, not everyone can be a knowledge and service worker or yes, some kind of UBI/ mass civic service scheme

a good prison.

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Even if we had enough council housing for every man, woman and child it should be revoked for serious crimes.

I totally disagree. A home is a fundamental human right.

Same, housing is a human right.

Plus these nobheads you're throwing out on their arses may have family who weren't involved who may now be screwed, and homelessness is a difficult trap to get out of that will likely cause further problems for the offender and the community they live in. If they live alone and will have somewhere to come out into, then I'd rather their home goes to someone who needs it over the next few years whilst they're inside, but only if there's somewhere for them when they come out, otherwise the sentence will be much longer in practice than on paper.

Hot weather making everyone a bit, well, cunty today

It's not even that hot. Is this comment thread related or news?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h55D4xUZlFw

People need reminding that driving is a privilege.

Anti social behaviour has been grounds for eviction from local authority owned housing. While in privately owned housing would this even be mentioned?

@psg1ben I would discuss that it is not, see Israel and the situation in Cyprus, it's creation in another groups homes.

Has anyone mentioned Roger Allum (sp) the just stop oil that got 5 years in prison for a few WhatsApp calls while actual physical injury and property damage didn't even any where near that.

Well these are in the group of the opinion that prison is so easy like a holiday camp with the Xboxes so they will love it.

Wandsworth prison is better than that

Part of the reason he got that sentence was he was a repeat offender and was serving a suspended sentence already

I agree in general violent offenders should get longer than disruptive protesters but judges have to follow the sentence guidelines available to them

Ha ha ha ha, funny that people believe that rehabilitation happens.

Is that Roger, the just stop oil chap. Or the rioters?

Roger

aaaand just like the workhouse if you don't pay off your debt (to society) you never leave?

Everyone has a right to be housed. It's not the same as everyone has a right to make houses in someone else's place. I'm talking about homelessness Vs having a home. Not making a new home somewhere else.

The only situation it works is in a totally idealistic situation in my head where it simply helps people see the correlation between work/community/education and self worth. Everyone comes out the side of it with a new lease of life.

I’m not suggesting for one second it would actually work, let alone be free from all sorts of pitfalls and crappiness.

Ok, the rioters have previous too. From what I have read. But not sure if true. But previous for peaceful protest?

What about the jso protesters on the gantry on the M25, none of those have previous do they?