The fall of the Tory party

Think he wants to walk away asap, as it's summer in California, but they want him to do the decent thing* and stay longer. Have read they've only managed to get him to commit to end of summer recess at this stage.

*why think he'd start now etc and so on

She could start a fight in an empty room. The Tories need someone who can connect with the electorate, she'll be hectoring them for not working hard enough.

I heard that too. However, I think with some coaching she might mellow. Although I'll admit I thought she was younger so had assumed time would help too.

I still think she comes across as bright with a good story. Plus Imo Sunak's weakness was a major reason for this defeat. While I think this election would have always been incredibly hard to win, I still maintain if he'd followed through properly on his original message as the change candidate he'd have had a shot. I can't imagine Badenoch doing that.

So, Mrs Sunak was Director of Digme Fitness that went bust owing HMRC a fortune, and a co-director was Rupert James Graham Lowe who stood as a candidate for Reform UK in Great Yarmouth.

https://x.com/Bounce_BackLoan/status/1810639022106230834

There is a bit of misogynoir and racist coding of the "angry black woman" stereotype in some of the responses to Kemi Badenoch. I think she would be a difficult match up for Keir Starmer. She is a more natural communicator. I don't think there is much chance of the Tory membership electing her though.

An interesting connection…..I’m missing what the implication is though?

No idea. Murky business, he's just been elected for Reform in Yarmouth and declared war on schools that dissed Reform.

I have had a huge number of concerned parents message me from all over
the country in regards to how their child's teacher has been talking
negatively about Reform during the election campaign - many parents
are incredibly upset.

https://x.com/RupertLowe10/status/1810650137875673387

I think the Tory party membership would be gagging at the opportunity to elect someone called Enoch - even a bad one!

At my son's school they refused to allow a Reform candidate in the mock election, which seemed something of an own goal when you're trying to teach kids about democracy. Not that I support Reform in anyway I would hasten to add.

Best thing is the Tories can't elect a new leader as there's no 1922 committee. So with some prodding the downfall can continue.

Re Badenoch and the angry black woman stereotype.
Other than Sunak, Hunt and maybe dim dowden; most of the remaining Tories seem angry pretty much all of the time. Is this part of their culture war training.

Is Badenoch as much of an odious cunt as Braverman? Surely not

If you do it with an explainer it might be reasonable . If I was a teacher I'm not sure I'd relish the idea of kids 'standing' for fascists and racists at mock hustings and so forth.

It doesn’t take much for her to get prickly in interviews, even when the interviewer is soft.

She can’t resist culture war stuff either which is, arguably, the last thing a new Tory leader should engage in, given that their base is dying and they need to appeal to different demographics.

She’s far more intelligent than Braverman, thus more dangerous.

She's pretty foul. Pretends to be a champion of women, downplays a rich white man who says he wants to shoot black women.

The only thing the conservatives seem to well is finding 'uncle tom' type women, to do the dirty work that will appease some of their voters.

No idea.

Without more information, it's pretty thin. In the mutually back-scratching oligarchy, a fair number of directorship positions are non-jobs. People with a genuine business reputation giving some of their lustre to someone else's hustle, a business currying favour with the politician spouse of the notional director, and so on. Every so often some scandal (Robert Maxwell, Theramon) lifts the curtain on this, as it turns out most of the directors just turned up a few times a year to rubber stamp the actions of a crook for some money.

Is Badenoch as much of an odious cunt as Braverman? Surely not

Depends what you mean. They're both vile but Braverman feels more out and out swivel eyed lunatic whereas Badenoch is quite prepared to pretend to be normal in order to smuggle her awful views into the mainstream. Braverman seems to believe the awful things she says whereas with Badenoch it feels like she's prepared to say whatever awful thing she needs to to get her objective met.

Braverman is prepared to absorb/work with/align with Reform whereas Badenoch isn't. So I suspect Braverman would be worse for Labour, Badenoch better. But they'd both be terrible for the country.

Thanks all. I still can't get my head around people of colour or the descendents of migrants supporting policy that is anti migration or thinly veiled racism. But my understanding could be described as basic at best

"angry black woman" stereotype

Both can be true though. Fwiw I agree, but she does counter attack questioners. Whatever the rights or wrong that comes across in a certain way.

What I'd like to see is some data on whether that is viewed as a negative by the base.

No doubt she is assertive in interviews. But what would the response be if it was a white, liberal man with the right accent being assertive? Alastair Campbell for example?

Thanks all. I still can't get my head around people of colour or the descendents of migrants supporting policy that is anti migration or thinly veiled racism. But my understanding could be described as basic at best

Migrants who produce offspring that make it to super important jobs like being a politician or are just multi-multi-millionaires are ok.

Migrants who are, or produce offspring that become, "lesser" jobs like surgeons, GPs, nurses, dentists, etc need to be controlled and limited because a significant chunk of the electorate don't like people in those jobs with funny sounding names or have beliefs in different sky fairies.

(At least that's how I think they must think.)

Also, it is racist to have an expectation of people's politics on the basis of their ethnicity.

They don't owe you anything.

Disagree with people on the substance of their political positions, by all means.