The fall of the Tory party

She's still a massive cunt Tory. Stopped clocks/right twice a day and all that

agreed, i think one of the wild parts of all this is what sunak said is probably the mildest version of this transphobia which has come out of either leaders / parties mouth, or the policy they support in recent years.

that esther could have been hearing things like this about her daughter, from both parties for years, chances are brianna, as a trans girl online, was also hearing them too prior to her murder, part of parcel why her mother was in the commons today looking for further protection.

many condeming rishis comments due to her mothers presence, rejected and mocked, a policy to allow trans children to be recognised, with the government battling it in court and starmer himself saying people of briannas age could not possibly be trans (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-64281548). this does not come from school yard bullies, this comes from the leaders of our nation, teens read this on their phones.

as kl says, it's weekly, so this outrage now her mother is in front of them seems so shamlessly oppertunistic one can only assume what they're upset about is rishis manners, not his transphobia, or their own.

Have just read Ian Dunt’s thoughts on it

“We've spent a bit of time the last few days talking about Labour and the £28 billion pledge. Progressives feel disappointed by the party's lack of ambition. I share that disappointment. But at moments like this you realise that the election is about something larger than all that. It is about more than policies and public services and parties. It is at this stage, in a really rather unexpected way, about the moral character of the nation. Sunak seemed a fairly run-of-the-mill conservative when he came to power. It transpires that he is a moral vacuum. It is of the utmost importance that he be removed from power. His presence there stains us all.”

Gaff boy gaffs again.

I'm not a betting man and I bet that's the big take away from todays ( and prob quite a few lately) PMQ's

As has been said, he's not up to the job.

starmer himself saying people of briannas age could not possibly be trans

umm... did he say that?

Sir Keir told the BBC's Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg: "I have concerns about the provision in Scotland, in particular the age reduction to 16 and, in particular, the rejection of our amendment in relation to the Equalities Act."

Pressed on whether you are old enough at 16 to decide to change gender, he replied: "No, I don't think you are."

I don't think his Starmer's position here is equatable with crass anti trans jokes.

How have we ended up with Sunak’s shit today - totally out of any sort of context, introduced because he wanted to - somehow being equally about Starmer?

Don’t get me wrong, Starmer isn’t great but I’m not sure his immediate response today to Sunak’s awfulness can be seen as being equivalent, would it have been better if he’d ignored and said nothing?

i think it's more that people are upset with him that he lets rishi's view go unchallenged within his own party, his own front bench, and even his policy proposals. so when he says "hey you shouldn't do that!" it looks very i think you should leave hot dog guy, the same goes for the media, of which unanimously posts things far worse than what rishi said today.

i've been trying to think of a way to convey this in a way which people will feel the sense of apolitical despair a trans person feels seeing this, a way which is hard to relate too for many here, and i think the closest i can think of is, you know when jeremy corbyn tried to explain his brexit policy? feels a bit like that.

the tories? they're bad guys, horrid, grim, bottom barrel, but then you look at the opposition and they're like "i voted remain!!!!!" and then outline policy which is leaving the eu. you feel a certain kind of despair.

Top work shoehorning Brexit into this.

'The mood is really grim around the PM tonight'.

Our deputy political editor @SamCoatesSky says today has been a
"disaster" for the Conservative Party, adding that Rishi Sunak "really
messed it up" after making a trans jibe during PMQs.

https://twitter.com/SkyPoliticsHub/status/1755323489332994358

Every day it somehow gets worse.

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He’s not the messiah, he’s a very naughty boy

Where’s that Sunak is a rat faced cunt meme when you need it most.

You seem to be forgetting both Betteridge's Law and the fact that you're looking at the Daily fucking Express.

So, The Times' lead on the Sunak's anti-trans line is about Badenoch accusing Starmer playing politics regarding the affair. The Times has very noticeably gone further right since the start of the year. It's quite striking.

Tony Gallagher reverting to type with a sniff of an election on the horizon.

Badenoch accusing Starmer playing politics

Not sure that Badenoch understands how PMQs works.

Sunak continuing to refuse to apologise and adding in a bit of gaslighting for good measure.

Can the spiteful, spineless cunt not just fuck off?

^ yeah, this is just epic wtf level stuff

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68237826

Honestly hope they refuse to get rid of him and make him face the next election cycle so we can all enjoy some schadenfreude. In the meantime he deserves death by a thousand paper cuts.

Dunt is way too invested in Westminster drama. He's presumably in a very comfortable position, so the ability for him to wave away real problems like ecological decline or economic insecurity to instead waffle on about the nebulous moral character of the nation is deeply problematic.

Yes there's a moral vacuum, but Dunt is part of it too.

I think Chris Dillow said it best as the media being largely composed of 'poshcuntstalkshit' programming.

Him losing his seat would be amazing but I’m concerned about the further damage he will cause in the next 6 months or so - he’s clearly a morally empty shell who gives not a fuck about anything but money, cashmere hoodies, smart mugs, Star Wars and Mexican Coca-Cola so watch him salt the battlefield as much as possible and then start honking on the first day of the new government about how Labour are trashing the amazing legacy he bequeathed

Given he isn't an MP and is unlikely to be given a seat by Sunak for the upcoming election I'd say no.

I almost pity the hapless Tory that will have to defend this crap on Question Time tonight.

Almost but not quite

Lord Johnson of Henley would solve that.