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Most of these are beyond my budget and apetite but I like the Kinesis frames, alu kinda makes sense with big tyres and disc stiff forks?
W about a touch less sexy Spa Elan? They fit 700*45 without mudguards.
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I like Kinesis too. I've owned a T2, 4S, 4SD, Tripsters. I wish the Tripter didn't have that yoke chainstay and let me shield the RD cable fully and I don't like the down tube bend but whatever, I buy my bikes to thrash, not look at.
I want to use Di2 with it so I'm looking for stuff that has internal electric cable routing. Doesn't look like the Elan does.
hippy
I wanted a Crux so with road wheels I could use it to replace my Tarmac but the more riding I do here the more I think I want something cheaper because it's mostly just going to be grinding mud across the frame through the year.