Overheard at the Guardian reading, Tofu eating, Yoghurt weaving, Vegan Deli Counter

Damn it

It’s more of a front bag garden … growing fruit and veg etc…. Like a Brompton allotment..

Brompton allotment is a really good album title, psychedelic jazz or something

Running out of oat milk so I have to put kefir on my morning wheat biscuits.

Two minutes is very respectable.

scince we started that new diet we put kefir on most things, goes particularly well on sauerkraut, get your kraut from the polish shop, check that it's not got vinegar in it just salt perhaps caraway or juniper should mention live cultures on the label. It it's really authentic it comes in a barrel. We get our kefir from the polish shop. Cheaper than the health food one, tastes just as good. Kombucha works too, with most things. Do you like that comedian Stewart Lee? Bumped into him in the bookshop in Stokie.

And here ends the thread.

the wall made from twigs

I think MTB geometry peaked circa 2005-2015, and since then bikes have got far too long and slack.

Seems more gravel grinding than yoghurt weaving to me.

I just absentmindedly added oat milk to a lemsip

After the success of asking for waxed jacket alternatives in the Golf Club thread (Hoggs fwiw), I thought this would be a good place to ask for a budget eye cream?

Any suggestions, or even just useful ingredient criteria welcome.

Cheers.

Retinol creams are probably what you want. But you might need to be a bit more specific:
Age
Do you want to combat lines/puffiness/dark circles
?

If you start with those questions and answers you might get the right answer you need.
Also worth remembering skin is different for different people. And that it takes 6-8 weeks for skin stuff to show through. Because of the layers of skin and the way the stuff at the bottom takes that long to get to the top. Really with moisturiser and stuff you’re
Just treating the top layer. Which is dead. I think.

It all feels a bit snake oil sometimes.

Lard!

You mean a coconut-based snake substitute oil, please.

As @Chalfie says it depends why you want to use it, but I researched this a while back (I get dark patches under my eyes, bad crow's feet) and this Boots one was consistently recommended and IIRC proven in a study too:
https://www.boots.com/no7-restore-renew-multi-action-eye-cream-15ml-10288489

Less than half price on eBay at the mo:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/314497188049

If only I actually remembered to use it regularly like you're meant to :/

As I understand it, retinol will do more, but those creams are a lot more expensive, so not budget.

Good NYT piece here speaking to some experts (which reminded me that retinol can cause irritation so it's no panacea):
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/19/well/eye-cream-wrinkles.html

Could be worth trying something with vitamin C in based on this, e.g.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Garnier-Brightening-Treatment-Prevents-Puffiness/dp/B0BMGMV62W

Worth adding that you should use a serum underneath too. I'm a big fan of the Ordinary's caffeine serum which definitely helps my panda eyes:
https://theordinary.com/en-gb/caffeine-solution-5-egcg-eye-serum-100412.html

Also Troye Sivan uses it which is a pretty damn good endorsement.

wait, i thought all skincare was nonsense?!

A part from factor 50 sunblock

Cheers - the spirt delivers!

Looking to combat the signs of children and full time employment.

Predominantly:

• bags under the eyes
  
• puffyness
  
• occasion dryness
  

Yeah, UV protection is definitely proven. Iirc one of the vitamins is proven but can't remember which.

Overall moisturising of some sort and UV protection of some sort helps your skin.

Yeah basically the most important thing is to moisturise with something. Lots of people pay £££ for creams which will work just as well as cheap stuff.

UV is definitely good, but a lot of eye creams (like the Boots one I linked) don't have it because using them at night is most important, but also if you're not wearing sunglasses you're doing eye skincare wrong.

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Done

I use the Aldi Rejuvelate (REJUVELATE!) stuff after morning swimming/showering and it’s got that nice face burn feel that tells me my three quid outlay is doing something. There’s a lot of fat/water emulsion out there, it ain’t easy finding what’s right. Good luck.

SPF30 too. Less gassy. No strong after taste.