Car appreciation... the aesthetics, the engineering, etc

Not really each to their own if you're inflicting the emissions on other people...

Nice car though.

let's not get into it

I love vintage cars, I do not love their emissions. I really don't get the logic behind the ULEZ compliancy for old enough cars.

Same. Vintage cars (including that merc) are ace but fuck anyone who wants to skirt ULEZ by driving a vintage car.

40+ yrs old cars are probably not used as daily commuting cars so not killing babies every day.

Just weekends.

Classic cars are a great way to avoid ULEZ and mot and road tax👍 and to run over just stop oil types who block roads and throw powder and custard over stuff

My neighbour still dailies an 80s merc. I just try to not be outside when he fires it up, lol.

Better to confine the emissions to third world cobalt and lithium mines eh ;) ;)

avoid ULEZ and mot and road tax

I mean isn't this basically tax breaks for car nerds to keep cool cars which society* has deemed worthy of survival in existence.

Surely not linking all car costs - ULEZ, tax, speeding fines, whatever - to some sort of wealth X income grading is the same thing? I mean why should some people be able to easily afford to polute while others can't?

*albeit small part of

Speeding fines are linked to income these days, I believe.

Not sure I understand but you need to be pretty well off to buy an electric car , pay for it to charge and pollute the environment with huge production lines, loads of plastic and massive batteries that can’t be easily disposed of…
Why not keep using something if it still works?

Two stroke scooter pass a ulez test...

I suspect the exemption is based on the premise that a 40 year old car is going to spend most of it's life in the garage rather than be used every day of the week, and whilst the emissions from the vehicle are going to be local, the total emissions for a vehicle are massively front loaded, so the manufacture of the car is going to do more environmental damage than driving it around for 200,000 miles or so. There's an argument for running old cars for longer rather than buying a new one that can be made there.

Local emissions are not going to be great, that said - you can run a modern Bentley engine on the emissions of an old one, apparently.

Yeah I think you've missed my point, but to yours - you've neatly explained the argument for buying a 2010 kia Ceed vs a tesla, not the argument for driving an inefficient poluting car.

Real nice. But that doesn't make up for being a dickhead.

It won't be. It will be ULEZ exempt. Different thing.

I bet you're fun at parties.

Fair enough.

It should absolutely never be ULEZ exempt and anyone who buys a vintage car to avoid paying ULEZ is a cunt.

anyone who buys a car is a cunt.

Yolo

It should absolutely never be ULEZ exempt and anyone who buys a vintage car to avoid paying ULEZ is a cunt.

Do people do this? They are bonkers if so.

The vintage exception for ULEZ is a total joke though. Terrible, terrible optics.

So car insurance. Any tricks to not being fleeced? Three years NCB and they still want £800 year for me and fam on the comparatively weedy 1.2tsi octavia.

Get your mileage right. Some people just say 10,000 a year and may not come close. Some insurers have mileage bandings too, so 9,900 miles per year may be cheaper than 10,000.

Adding another low risk named driver might bring it down too.