Standert Standert read all about it

if its worth the hype

it wont be

if i was clever to buy this instead of a compliant carbon frame.

you weren’t

Pics?

I'll post some when i get to the build :)

In action

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This looks so good!

YES!

If anyone has an XL in any model, they want to move on I’m all ears!

Nice 👌 what's that top tube bag?

Oveja negra

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Looks like a fun ride

Cheers!

Is anyone interested in a Kreissäge RS frame that missed out on the recent release? It's still in the box, white team edition (56) with Sram DUB and etap inlays. I've been hit with some unexpected building costs during my house renovation so I now need the cash more than a second bike!

Eh up

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Cycling cliches

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The build turned out so good, though!

Very very lovely. do you have an update?

Apologies in advance for the rambling post....

I moved to Cornwall a few months ago and am in the market for a road bike for the winter that I can use in the summer for mixed road and off-road gravel type riding as the three bikes I have currently are all solely for the road and are also all rim brake frames; a steel Serotta with mechanical SR 11 speed, a Look 595 with mechanical SR 11 speed and a Look 785 Huez RS with EPS SR 11 speed.

I ride approx 250-350 km a week throughout the year so a bike that I could ride throughout the winter with guards would be good and not feel too sluggish on the road. The weather is appalling in Cornwall for about six months of the year and the lanes are filthy.

I'm considering a Pfadfinder as from what I read I could run 32c tyres with guards in the winter for road and then in the summer a wider 38c tyre without guards for gravel etc. So far so good. Quite a few of the reviews make it seem like mechanical groupsets are a bit of a pain with the BB of the pfadfinder; I would like to keep with Campagnolo but don't really feel mad about splashing loads of dosh on an EPS 12 speed disc groupset that will likely have a hard life so I am wondering what my options are as there is no electronic 11 speed disc option with Campagnolo, but rather the two 11 speed mechanical options are either Ekar though I don't know how good this would be on the roads down here or the Campagnolo HO groupset. From what I've read Ekar could work with two different ratio cassettes.

I could I suppose jump ship and go for SRAM or worst comes to worst Shimano, or alternatively look at another frame but it's starting to get quite confusing. Would value thoughts and opinions, thanks in advance. I don't have a particularly large budget - the pfadfinder is already pretty bloody pricey.

The BB on mine is pretty tight too. Honestly with what else you have I’d think about something that takes a wider tyre/ more clearance. I’m riding pretty much 50/50 between my Canyon and Standert I really enjoy both bikes.
I’ve been surprised by how quick my new Teravail Cannonballs make the Standert on the road but it is still early days here.
I’ve SRAM Etap Red 11s on my Canyon and AXS force on my Standert x1. I like both and I much prefer it to the 1x force groupset I had previously. You can get lots of take off, nearly new bits etc and save good chunks of cash too.
As for other frames there’s quite a lot in that space now. But it’s hard to find in XL second hand it would seem…which I think I what you ride!? What else is in the mix?

I had a Pfadfinder with di2. Hydraulic hoses were tricky enough, so I don't think I'd fancy running a mechanical groupset on one. I thought it was a great bike though, until the frame cracked. Standert were great about it and I got a full refund, but tbh if I were after a similar bike again I'd get a Fairlight Strael. I have a faran and it's cleverly designed and well made, plus no post-brexit customs nonsense. Not sure if it's an option for you but going UK based also opens up using cycle to work schemes.

Mason are the other obvious option, but as @GoatandTricycle says, there are more and more of these sort of bikes about.

https://www.lfgss.com/conversations/382787/#comment16927023

No idea if available still

Thanks both, really appreciate it.

@GoatandTricycle, at 6'2 I typically ride 58c-c top tube frames so XL though my 785 Huez RS is a Large with an effective TT of 57.3. I bought it second hand (though it was a brand new warranty replacement) so I didn't have the choice of going for an XL though the XL TT is more like 590 and the headtube is massive so I would have preferred the L regardless in terms of the racier geometry.

Were I to buy something like a pfadfinder/fairlight I would sell the 595 and strip the Serotta and sell off the parts though keep the frame as I do very much love it.

This could also all be a mad folly of course and entirely unnecessary and I could just run sks clip-on guards for my 595 for on the road in winter and then pick up a cheap old 90s MTB and run with narrowish tyres for off road stuff down here - there was a nice old Look mi80 on the classifieds here at £400 that I missed a few months ago. If I did this then I could see how that goes over summer and then reassess in a few months as to whether I would want to buy an all road/gravel type bike.

@LeBlaireau - I have access to cycle to work but only for the one year option so I don't know that it would make that much difference in terms of money saved, I'd also much rather pick things up cheap/second hand on ebay and put together myself than pay the premium for an off the peg full build from a shop.

The Strael seems a good shout though I find the design pretty boring and, for me at least, aesthetics are a not insignificant part of it - I want to be excited by the colour and decals of a frame if I'm going to be spending so much time (and money) on it! I guess this is where Standert trumps Fairlight, for me at least.

@GoatandTricycle in terms of clearance, I don't think I'd be riding much more than 40c tyres (I mean never say never) but any off road stuff would mostly be light gravel/bridleway stuff i.e. south downs way, west kernow way, rather than wading through quagmires with mud clagging up everything so maybe that Secan is a bit over-specced for my needs.

As a dyed in the wool road cyclist for the best part of twenty years it's unchartered and confusing territory that I find myself teetering on the brink of

I totally get where you are coming from. Standert definitely have some great colour/ designs. Some older Erdgeschoss are wild too! Bikes should be fun and make you want to ride them.
I also totally get the hesitation I’d not riden off road for a long time, I pondered over what I wanted for ages, jumped at a great Slate but wasn’t suited to what I really wanted to do, longer distances, bags, dynamo.
As I’d rambled somewhere I wanted something crossover quick could do winter duty. Personally I’m glad I went for more clearance as doesn’t change much when running narrower tyres but gives that possibility and confidence to really go for it off road. Something I find is a mixed surface ride can be much shorter to get same feeling of escapism, which much of my riding is about really. I ride about 200km a week.
I’ll weigh it when I get a chance. If you were closer could take it for a spin.

A very generous offer, thank you. Shame I’m so far away!

I would sell the 595 and strip the Serotta

Thats some cold shit right there…

(Am in a similar position to you).