True. United have spent nearly a decade in that spiral of immediate success. Looks like both them and Arsenal have hopefully locked onto quality long term managers (whatever long term looks like now in the PL).
On Liverpool - speaking of teams that deserve to be in the second tier....
Arsenal fans got spoilt by Wenger, especially in the early years when they actually won stuff.
Fans of any successful team go that way, just look at all the Liverpool fans that used to be on here and how they bleated on year on year.