Gravel / Gravé / Gnarmac / Groad / ATB

Or BB5, they work equally well and felt stiffer due to only one side can be adjusted.

Check the geo on canyons website as they offer two stack and reach for Grail, one set to silly handlebar and one normal. It's a bit weird to work out the comparison.

Also they bars are stupid as fuck, buy a normal bike, like the Grizl.

After the bad experience with the macho king, I was a little apprehensive in buying this....

I feel your pain, the Dolan L,Etape I had was sold to somebody else on it’s first ride with me. HATED it to death.

Good shout thanks, just had a look at the “normal” geo comparison and it’s much closer.

Buying the Grail second hand and it’s a pretty good deal so think I’m going to take a gamble on the hover bars…

They are great bikes

GRX 400 levers, GRX 812 11 speed 11-42 mech (does 46 easy, 10 and 11 speed road are same pull) deore 10 speed 11-46 cassette.

Enjoy

have we moaned about the new sram drive train yet?

hilarious stuff, real wallet inspection type product.

What? Turning a power meter into a consumable item doesn’t make you grab your wallet immediately?

i actually opened klarna when i found out i could use my chainstay as a crumple zone instead of a £5 piece of stamped sheet metal

new sram drive train yet?

Um, I think you'll find that it's not longer called a drivetrain

1 Attachment

hilarious stuff, real wallet inspection type product.

It's expensive like anything new, but it's actually really interesting from an engineering POV. No B Screw or adjustors, modular, etc is really good potential filter down tech for the future. Imagine if everyday riders never had to adjust limit screws again.

I know that's easy if you know how, but just yesterday I was sorting my neighbours bike cos normal people don't know how it works.

Anyway, cool to hate and all that, but I think in a few years a lot of the 'features' could be on affordable main stream components. Just like clutched mechs from the not to distant future.

It's the problem to a solution. Has some great features but it has been overshadowed by the stupidity of removing the crash damageable cheap mech hanger, and beefing up the derailleur.
So if you crash, your £700 derailleur is probably fine but your frame is snapped. Not Sram's problem.

There is truth to that, but my tourer doesn't have a replaceable mech hanger, so if it snaps I've got the same issue, but it's a 10 year old bike frame.

Just think Evolution of tech shouldn't start with ridicule. It's clearly not priced or designed for normal riders, but it's new and interesting and has lots of potential for future rear mechs that could make a difference (looking mostly at the limit screws).

looking mostly at the limit screws

But you need to do all the other shit to get rid of them.

I know nothing of MTBs, but the rear ends are massively overbuilt anyway? And on a full sus you’d only need to replace the swing arm?

Just saying there is some nice potential and innovation in it, and that the default to new tech or different approachs shouldn't be met with a default negativity about pricing etc.

I'm all for new takes on things, innovation is great for everyone. (It also costs money that early adopters are happy to pay).

P.s not all is good, happy to admit, looking at you tubolito...

I think having the expensive dangly bit that's somewhat likely to take a hit when you fall off attached to the expensive framey bit via a cheaper sacrificial bit of metal is a pretty innovative idea from a not spending unnecessary money on broken frames and derailleurs point of view, especially when the parts are often not just expensive but out of stock.

Death to expensive dangly bits!

Not yours though, snotters

Your dangly bits are priceless

Tbf If a hit was strong enough to break the frame, then I don't think a flimsy hanger would save it. There is videos of people jumping up and down on the new mech and it's not even bending. Introducing a flimsy bit of metal between frame and mech would only be introducing a weak point.

*I'm not a SRAM engineer, and I can't vouch for authentication of said videos. But if they're to be believed, then the mech hanger is not needed.

I'm glad I don't have to convince you lot in change and innovation in my industry :-)

Introducing a flimsy bit of metal between frame and mech would only be introducing a weak point.

Yeah, that's the whole point.

Loosing the limit screws is interesting, I do like that.
Though with these you need to read the instructions.

Putting the derailleur in the Setup Key position and engaging the
dedicated setup cassette sprocket (gear seven) makes setting the
correct chain gap between the derailleur cage and cassette possible
without needing to adjust the b-tension for a given bike’s suspension
sag.

And figure out the right chain length from a chart with your gearing and chainstay length, if you don't have an old chain to compare to.

Where as with the usual stuff you can rather easily figure out how things go together just by looking at it.

And will it work with all wheels as well as their own? For example when changing from a wheel with a Shimano XT m8000 hub to a DT 350 I needed to adjust the limit screws.

I've seen videos of people jumping on a fella's dangly bits and that's not convinced me it's s good idea.

Yeah, that's the whole point.

Unless if the mech and frame are strong enough to take the hit (which they claim they are), then all you've got now is a bent hanger you need to change which you wouldn't have needed to do, IF they are strong enough as they claim...