How do I bathroom / kitchen / extension? etc.

Apparently if you have one of them newfangled ovens with a pyrolytic cleaning programme you better get the fuck out of your kitchen when it runs, for this very reason.

thanks, will let the tiler know.

Cheers! Thanks @Sheppz too - passed on Rosie’s details.

GOOD FIRE BANTZ.
After a weekend in a house with two log burners I'm dead keen on reinstating my fireplace(s).

It's the main source of pollution in London now:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/feb/15/wood-burners-emit-more-particle-pollution-than-traffic-uk-data-shows

Disappointing to see a load of ageing hipsters putting their own hygge over healthy air for 9 million people.

ageing vegetarian hipsters

I think hipster is the worst thing anyone has ever called me.

If you think that’s bad, wait until you hear about all the damage the meat and dairy industry cause globally, and people still consume it!

People have to live, even if it kills them

Social media causes way more damage to people than air pollution or eating other animals. Yet here we are, on LFGSS.

But what about but what about but what about…

Genuinely can't work out how much of this thread is trolling and how much is, er, 'motivated reasoning'

Its not binary though is it, you could do both.

The trolling is the defence mechanism for all the things we enjoy that are indefensible.

@Sparky geniune question: where is the data saying "its the main source of pollution in London right now"?

I am struggling to see in that article that London air quality is mainly impacted by wood burning stoves. Yes, it says that wood burners emit more particle pollution but don't you have to do some kind of maths where you look at # of particle emitting vehicles vs # of wood burning stoves to determine what is the main contributor?

I might be totally missing it...

Wood-burning stoves and open fires in homes have become Britain’s biggest source of a dangerous air pollutant, contributing to the government missing a clean air goal.

Figures published today show that emissions of tiny particulate matter linked to heart and lung problems, known as PM2.5, rose to 83,200 tonnes in 2021. It was the first time a legal limit for PM2.5, of 80,800 tonnes a year, had been breached since its introduction in 2020.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/wood-burning-stoves-and-home-fires-are-biggest-source-of-toxic-pollutant-jz06lz3bq

The beeb did an overview sort of a piece too recently.

second para

the estimated proportion of small particle pollution that comes from wood burners [is] 17%... Road transport is responsible for 13% of particle pollution.

Guardian too

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And most horrid thing is, it actually pollutes inside your house too, even if you are being selfish and want that hygge surely thats gotta tip you over the edge.

Figure 4 shows that more PM10 is produced by domestic combustion than road traffic: https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/emissions-of-air-pollutants/emissions-of-air-pollutants-in-the-uk-particulate-matter-pm10-and-pm25

A 2014 study showed that PM10 from wood burning in London was larger than the reduction predicted from the first two phases of the Low Emission Zone. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1352231013009825

All this talk smacks of the idiots who argue that LTNs are bad for climate change or that diesel cars are greener than electric cars because of mining for batteries. Seeing it on a cycling forum is pretty frustrating.

If you want to keep burning wood in a city, that's your prerogative. But you don't get to ignore all the evidence that it causes health problems for other people.

Can't read the Times article as its behind the pay wall.

But in the BBC article again I cannot see where it says Wood burners are the main contributor to air pollution in London. I'm asking about London as its main contributor to air pollution.

The BBC article also doesn't quite determine particle pollution between open fires and wood burning stoves

Data from Imperial College shows that 17% of PM2.5s in London now comes from wood-burning.

To be clear I am not defending wood burning stoves I am just very interested in wood burning stoves are actually the main source of air pollution in London as per Sparky's comment.

This medium article is very @chrisbmx116 too! https://medium.com/the-new-climate/why-the-environmental-movement-has-a-blind-spot-for-wood-burning-73a5d0eb2a6b

@NickCJ that's not just London though is it? Thats the UK?

Here's a nice feature on the issue by my colleague: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2119595-wood-burners-london-air-pollution-is-just-tip-of-the-iceberg/

@amey the numbers from the Guardian, that the UK right, not London?

Not read the article so apologies.