mespilus-
Very few people, but the guarantees wouldn't be valid if he didn't hold up his end of the deal, so it doesn't matter too much how much you trust him if it stops the war.
-
This. They know we play by the rules yet they don't care about it.
Speaking of any assurances - what about Budapest Memorandum ? It worked out well.
It's Ukraine that needs all the assurances, not the aggressor.
The only security assurance war criminals can have is assurance to reach Hague tribunal.
-
Not me but that's not the point
Two ways out of this war.
1) Collapse of Putin and the Russian government.
2) Withdrawal under a withdrawal agreement
If it's the latter, it won't be like the Berlin Declaration. It will probably have to recognise Russia's sovereignty if they will sign it. I assume they will try to hang on to annexed land...one would assume Ukraine will not budge on this.
In reality, I expect the assurances to be along the lines of "more more NATO aggression" and "no attacks in Russian soil". and that sort of meaningless bullshit. Something Outin can wave as a sign that he hasn't just had his ass handed to him.
You are reading a single comment by @mespilus and its replies.
Click here to read the full conversation.
snottyotter
dau
Stonehedge
I don't know if this is true but my friend who is a history professor reckons that this would be the first time in history that a country with an intact sitting government surrenders unconditionally or withdraws without security guarantees. As I understand it, if Russia agreed to withdraw from Ukraine without security guarantees, this would be a global first.