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  • Also worth pointing out that Starmer hasn't actually said that immigration should be reduced if there is a genuine need. From that article:

    Starmer refused to say whether he wanted overall immigration figures to come down, saying he was not interested in setting “arbitrary numbers”, effectively admitting there may be a short-term need for more visas to help businesses with a lack of staff.

    Its not as if we can solve this overnight. And Starmer isn't actually proposing any changes to the rules in the short term, so maybe @NickCJ's both at once thing will happen anyway.

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