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  • That sounds like you are pretty detached from the horror ukrainians are facing. Easy to be a noble pacifist when you don't have the evil empire 300km away or even closer

  • That sounds like you are pretty detached from the horror ukrainians are facing

    I am, and I'm very lucky to be so, I'm also very lucky to be able to be a pacifist. I'm not against the Ukrainian's defending themselves, or the support other countries have given them though and I'm well aware things are horrific and people have and will continue to die, but horrific things don't become funny because the person involved is a baddy. I'm not trying to apologise for people "just following orders" either, although the amount of deserters and Russians trying to avoid the draft shows they don't all want to be there. I'm glad when Ukrainian's have successes and when Russians have fuck ups, but I think it's a shame it all costs lives, even if you don't think it's a shame when Russians die, which is somewhat understandable, finding it funny is weird.

  • Well said. No arguing with that.

  • but I think it's a shame it all costs lives, even if you don't think it's a shame when Russians die, which is somewhat understandable, finding it funny is weird.

    Maybe I'm too soft about this just because I remember how my Grandad never made peace with the Nazi lives he took. Apparently (I never got to talk to him about it) he used to say the dead person doesn't pay the bill, its the dead person's mother and family that does.

    That said, he also spent a year in a prison camp on the IoM with Nazi PoWs (the UK thought he might be a spy so locked him up for the giggles despite being a Jewish Austrian resistance member) so perhaps he had more time to hang out with the enemy he had been killing than most.

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