Russian invasion of Ukraine

Congratulations on finally closing the border to Russian tourists. :)

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Remarkable reporting from the NY Times from the early days of the war: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/09/28/world/europe/russian-soldiers-phone-calls-ukraine.html

His reporting is about as credible as your presence on lfgss

Another theory is that it was Putler who ordered the pipelines blown. He knows the war is lost, and risks being overthrown by internal forces. But those internal forces would need a peace offering to persuade The EU to persuade Ukraine to stop fighting for their liberation. He knows that the EU is resolved not to use the gas, and that the Norway/Denmark/Germany pipeline was rushed through to open last week, so his blackmail over “technical closures” is worthless. He risks that a new leader can offer to the EU to turn back on the gas for a ceasefire and peace talks. Blowing up the pipeline means no pretender to the throne can offer that as a peace offering, and that reduces the chance of being over thrown.

The annexation thing today is definitely to allow them to claim any attack on “Russia” (as newly enlarged) allows him to escalate.

Thanks, we knew we could do it, but we were busy dancing and doing blow.

On other news: Today I've seen multiple young couples wondering aimlessly around Helsinki. They say we got 50k visitors yesterday. That's a lot for a town this size. Most probably don't have connecting flights yet so they are sightseeing. I can't feel sorry for these well-off buggers that actually made it here. They should have acted and done something much earlier.

Can't blame people for not caring about politics...
Until politics start caring about converting those people into cannon fodder.

Genocide is one hell of a political agenda.

Quite easy to say they should have done something.

The Putin speech is quite something.

Its got Satanism and Goebbels references.

TLDR I mean TLDL?

“There are four new regions of Russia,” Putin said in a televised ceremony from the Kremlin in Moscow, according to a translation.

The territory being seized consists of two pro-Russian “republics” in Luhansk and Donetsk in the east, and in Kherson and Zaporizhzhia in the south.

There are concerns Moscow could use unconventional weapons to “defend” what it will now say are its territory and citizens.

Pathetic.

Tucker aka Lord Haw Haw.

You can blame people for being selfish assholes who disregard the consequences of their greed on others.
These yuppies were fine with corruption and thuggery as long as it only victimised someone lower on the food chain.

So you’d rather they went and fought?
I remember why I’ve stayed away from this thread.

That's not what he implied.

So what was implied?

Speech is quite something
https://twitter.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1575853684852150272

Hell no! I am saying that they should not be complicit in the rampant corruption that allowed a lunatic to send Russia down a path of wanton destruction.
They are indifferent to the suffering of their fellow citizens and indifferent to the slaughter of both sides.
Is Lavrov’s daughter enlisting, or is she still on her London safe house that she paid 4 million in cash for?
Russians have brought this on themselves.
The ones fleeing aren’t the ones who are dirt poor and suffering the most.

Not that I think they're good people, but we've been caught up in a government of arseholes for the last however many years and I guess we're complicit to a point but it's not like we've had a lot of choice and if they went full Putin I'd certainly try to run away.

You can blame people for being selfish assholes who disregard the consequences of their greed on others.

These yuppies were fine with corruption and thuggery as long as it only victimised someone lower on the food chain.

You could easily be describing anyone living in a capitalist society, we all one way or another benefit from corporate corruption and thuggery that victimises those lower on the food chain, I think we all find it easy to turn a blind eye rather than rally against the system while we benefit

Exactly.
Life is complicated. An individual can ultimately only do so much for whatever reasons.

Is any government of any democratic country, no matter how arseholish it is, even remotely comparable to the one in Russia? I doubt it.

I agree with snotty’s point that cultivated indifference in response to autocratic regime has had an effect.
Maybe Russians just gave up after a few centuries of despots.

I do feel sorry for the vast majority or disenfranchised and asian minorities.

No, but I'd like to believe that at least some of the many millions of people aren't evil even if the government are cunts.