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Not digging you out but why do you find the led by donkeys disturbing?
Imo politicians need to be called out.

Possibly a bit 1984 ish ?

or this sort of thing ?

just guessing

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No, just regular thick

Just a reminder that Dominic Raab won't see your comments calling him thick but stupid, dumb, Neanderthal LFGSS users will.

There are loads of different types of intelligence

I think that's both a simplistic description of things and difficult to prove, without some means of being able to read people's minds. We can observe and measure the ways people behave but we aren't currently capable of directly observing how they think. Safer to say that there are different areas in which people could potentially apply their intelligence and most people (for whatever reasons) only do so in a subset - some a broader or narrower range than others.

The other thing about intelligence is that how you apply it is shaped by your life experiences.

Yes. Also by your personality. One member of my immediate family has a reasonably high mental potential but has been (both by nature and by choice) thumpingly anti-intellectual all their life. Quite competent in a narrow range , functionally a moron in most other respects.

I think that's both a simplistic description of things and difficult to prove

Fair enough. I know nothing about it other that teachers are taught that there are 8 or 9 different forms of intelligence (depending who's training you). No idea at all if it's contentious.or simplistic.

Sure but which of those do you think he lacks which result in "didn't realise Dover matters" combined with relative high achievement legally?

I think the argument is a reasonable one - it takes a degree of mental flexibility to be able to see an argument that supports your view (something which is human nature to want to do); that skill is one which lawyers in particular train / are good at (or at least should be good at)

Edit: maybe we're saying the same thing and I'm just adopting a relatively narrow definition of intelligence - just not entirely sure if that explains the types of things he has seemed dim at - which seem to be mostly surprise when something doesn't align with his ideological view of the world.

Quite competent in a narrow range , functionally a moron in most other respects.

Why does this sentence remind me of Tim Martin?

In the case of the Raab ‘tweet’ - he didn’t actually tweet that - as AndyP says. It was part of a wider discussion in which Raab discussed the things they were going to do because of the pivotal nature of Dover - Calais.

Remember “The medium is the message”? That’s why I find it troubling.

By insinuating (spade a spade - lying, essentially) that Raab had tweeted such a thing it painted the picture of him as a tech and self-marketing illiterate ‘thicko’ who would squander his Twitter capital on such a ‘revelation’.
The reality was pretty different, I think.

Indeed but it is helpful to have stupid statements, hypocrisy and straight lies pointed out, not least because there are so many of these so relentlessly that it’s hard to keep up/not forget.

the cleverer people are, the more they can be biased on things as they have the intelligence to find arguments to support their position

The other possibility of course is that running a country (which means of necessity running an economy that can support the country before you even start to think about social changes) in a world that is massively interconnected, dependent on supranational corporations and in the short to medium term can only keep functioning by burning fuel that will kill it looks easy when it's not you doing it, and is pretty much impossible when it is.

That's not to excuse cunts making decisions to benefit their cronies because that's a whole other thing, but government is basically making what based on what information you have is the least worst decision and being called a cunt for doing it by people who have even less idea of the problems than you do.

I think you are giving most of them too much credit.
A life of privilege and specific training to do well in certain areas leaves you with a lot of people who are highly educated but lacking general and/or emotional intelligence who then go about ignoring what information they have in favour of benefiting their backers and political class peers at the expense of those they're meant to be serving.

Fair enough. I agree on the twitter fakery.

FWIW in my experience the flaw of many (not all) Oxbridge people is not stupidity but arrogance. They are certainly smart but they overestimate the gap between themselves and everyone else, especially in areas where they themselves have less direct experience, so they ask the questions they think are important, don't listen when people are giving viewpoints they didn't ask for, take the info and go and work on it in isolation, then come back and get annoyed that everyone else wasn't following the assumptions they made but never validated.

It's not that everyone Oxbridge does this, but everyone I've met who does it is Oxbridge.

everyone I've met who does it is Oxbridge

This surprises me. The situation / behaviour you describe is, in my experience, pretty pervasive among mediocre managers from all educational backgrounds. Maybe it doesn't have the same underlying class drivers as when "Oxbridge people" do it though, not that that effects the outcome.

Actually none of the people I had in mind are managers! Work peers and relatives mostly.

A bunch of tory cunts.

Also operating procedures of the relevant ToC too, I imagine

I'm fairly certain thee's a report out there somewhere detailing the lack of driver training funded by the ToCs. This meant that accredited drivers , where they chose, drifted towards the 'better' train driving jobs, and poorly managed franchises like Southern soon found they could not cover obvious items like roster changes and holidays.
There was no pool of qualified labour available.

During the recent RMT strikes the agency companies publicly stated that they were not in favour of supplying labour, not only due to the strike being legitimate, but also the agencies still had no pool of labour to offer.

The accusation has always been that the RMT somehow exercises control over how many people can train as drivers (to restrict supply & enhance labour power) but I have no idea whether there's any truth in that.

Can't be the RMT.
Train drivers are represented by ASLEF.

Shows how much I know!

You know as much as Therese Coffey, the minister who was claiming the 'Rail strikers' earnt £55k a year, (which some ASLEF drivers can earn), when full time RMT members are around £30-35k/year.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%A9r%C3%A8se_Coffey

The UK media and government being very careful to blame the French for the Dover clusterfuck when it’s painfully obvious the result of Brexit requiring more border control, and now they’re all surprise the French doesn’t have enough border staff for the busiest crossing of the year and not obliged to do what an non-EU country said.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-hyundai-subsidiary-has-used-child-labor-alabama-factory-2022-07-22/

Hyundai metal stamping factory in Alabama caught using child labour, some as young as 12.

don't listen when people are giving viewpoints they didn't ask for, take the info and go and work on it in isolation, then come back and get annoyed that everyone else wasn't following the assumptions they made but never validated.

Like Nick says I feel that this is poor leadership and absolutely pervasive.

I should know - I have to work really hard to stop myself from doing it!