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I agree with most of this, I'd say my faction is the opposite to yours so maybe we can move on!
I find it really sad when BOTH sides are like 'jeez, I can't believe how the others are acting, it's so pretty and spiteful' while doing the exact same thing depending on who is in charge, ie calling for unity while acting in the opposite way, and completely failing to recognise they did the same thing 5 years ago, and 5 years before that etc .
Hopefully this report can be 'both sides' enough for most people to recognise it and move on together.
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I think it entirely depends how Labour take it. If both factions accept the report, even if its with reservations, there's a way forward that means we're united as a party.
What I'm seeing - and I say this as a person who sits more on the centre right of the party than the hard left - is that people of my faction grudgingly accept* the report. We accept that our faction used Jewish people as a political football, albeit many of us were genuinely acting out of solidarity. We accept that our faction played its part in the damning EHRC judgement. We accept that a few people in our faction acted like absolute fuckers and should be ashamed of themselves.
But what I'm seeing from the hard left faction is ongoing denialism. It's not across the board but you DO see it in these threads. People claiming the Forde report completely exonerates their faction. People claiming that Corbyn himself is exonerated of being antisemitic. People claiming that the Forde report proves that 'centrists' tried to 'throw' the 2017 election. Nothing supported by the evidence. Nothing that makes sense.
That kind of denialism will mean perpetuating a schism which the right wing press can exploit. In the worst case it will mean that faction will be removed from the Labour Party altogether, to everyone's detriment.
It is a painful business to accept a judgement like this. None of us come out well. But some of us accept that it's a more or less accurate reflection of reality and engage with what it actually says.
Some of us don't.
with a couple of minor issues. Forde suggesting that JVL, a group which has mostly been expelled from the party for antisemitism, should be engaged in antisemitism training, is what feels like a calculated insult. Glen Secker said that Jewish people were in the gutter with rats! Whatshername, Manson the chair, said openly that JVL was set up to deny antisemitism in Labour - something which the Forde report says was an example of institutional racism. These people belong nowhere near a political party