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  • Anything made by big brands will ride better than niche brands

    Strong agree. I'll take something mass produced in Taiwan by the big names any day over some heavy 4130 All-Road with hipster tax. coughMASH
    But! The Standert is soo pretty. I want one.

    I'm not so sure that it would feel like a boat as a winter road bike? Why?
    It's 1 degree slacker, but I don't think it's going to feel terrible.
    If it's primarily going to be a gravel bike, its a good compromise as a winter bike. Going for something more road bike shaped would mean having two separate bikes, one gravel, one winter, which is of course the ideal solution.

  • I'm not so sure that it would feel like a boat as a winter road bike? Why?

    Combination of the 1 degree slacker and the much longer fork, longer chainstays.
    Unknown BB drop etc
    It's not going to be terrible, of course. Just not "quick" handling like a road bike.
    As I said if it's going to be mostly a gravel bike but it can do the odd road ride here and there, fine. But I wouldn't buy it as a solely winter road bike to only ever use 30c tyres on. A cross bike would be closer to road geo with that kind of tyre clearance

  • A cross bike would be closer to road geo with that kind of tyre clearance

    https://standert.de/collections/stichsage

  • Genuine question under what circumstance do you require quick handling in the winter?

    Also didn’t Josh Ibbet win TCR on a Ti Bokeh?? I’m not sure my bike is ever going to be my limiting factor.

    It’s main stay is to ride with my daughter replace the slate so I can do longer multi day bike packing things and winter riding when crap weather with probably minimum 32c. and Dynamo routing.

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