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  • Vietnam is a prime recent example of a nation not willing to lose, no matter the cost.
    Also German terror bombing of British cities was intended to crush morale and that didn't work did it.

    This "Every time we accuse others of war crimes we need to think about how our own history is seen by others" is daft. The sins of the dead do not compromise our moral standpoint today.

  • German terror bombing of British cities was intended to crush morale and that didn't work did it.

    You can't really compare. Total civilian deaths for the UK were 67,000, of which half were in the Blitz. Total civilian deaths for Germany were between 1.5 and 3 million.

    The sins of the dead do not compromise our moral standpoint today.

    They do, especially if you pretend they didn't happen. War crimes are tried in court, where legal precedents usually determine the outcome.

    Personally I think Russia's invasion is a crime, whether they kill anyone or not. i'd say that every war of aggression is criminal. But the law doesn't work that way, because if you class the invader as a criminal just for stepping over the border, you don't give him an incentive to feed POWs or not use chemical weapons.

  • So with 3 million civilian dead did the Germans loose the will to fight?

  • I'm not comparing, I'm saying that killing lots of civilians doesnt mean you break the opponent, as Dibble has also.
    Yeah, you can have legal precedent for what makes for a war crime and who's pretending Dresden didnt get bombed? Your argument came across very much as we can't point the finger at Russia when at a point in our history our ancestors did something that would today be a war crime.
    And now I will go back to not debating things on the internet.

  • So many controversial opinions here pal, not sure where to begin.

    Somehow suggesting that its not ok to criticise Russian murdering of civilians yesterday due to some of our great grandfathers bombing Dresden 80 years ago is frankly ridiculous. The people that made those decisions are dead and buried. By your gauges of morality, society would never move on and no one on earth would be innocent.

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