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Interesting. I think fear is a much bigger variable in uk or at least has been previously in the pandemic than in sweden for instance. I also think this has gotten u to a point that u r so fed upwith lockdowns snd restrictions that u have an easier time making whatever sacrifices that are needed and wanting others to do the same in order to get back to every day life. Its logical and perhaps even succesful if that was the end goal, at least for now.

I think in 5 or so years a lot of you will look back on this differently.

That I’m glad I have vaccination before getting COVID (if I ever get it).

I guess time will tell.

And space will smell.

What's the PCR turnaround time like these days? Need a result by tomorrow noon ideally, for a job. Visit a pharmacy, perhaps?

Luck of the draw but according to my experience as of last week, unlikely to happen.

Surely it is sensible to fear if you think the data support it?

I fear being flattened by the local inattentive drivers, hence I always look even when it's green for me. Low risk / big consequences.

And how do you measure "fear" consistently across countries?

Maybe we should be "scared"? But then the Fear word is often used by the "we don't need any measures or vaccination and you are all scaredy cats" types, so I don't like it myself.

Thats not what i took from the article tho.

If information makes ppl scared thats one thing but if the object of the tactic is to promote fear its a very different thing all together no?

But yeah a bit of fear is warrented in situations like this but its not like that would not have come regardless. I had lots of fear in the early day up to the point where i had covid, i think thats when i became bit less fearful and more realistic. Fear makes me stupid tbh but we are all different

The question how we (ok, slightly different we, I am in Berlin) get more people vaccinated is key in my opinion.
We are a bit above 70%, and I don't believe that those 30% are all too young/have medical exceptions/are antivaxxers.
There are ample possibilities to get the shots, but unless you have a proactive GP its still a combination of gathering information, flexibility (time) and determination to get the vaccine.
Those are all resources and privileges not everyone has.
For example the official where/how to get the vaccine and appointment booking sites you find after a google greet you with a wall of text, and are a nightmare to navigate.
Which means unless you have at least average reading comprehension you need help, and even then it's way too complicated, to the point that you get frustrated and sack it.
Then you need time to get to the centre, maybe money is so tight you can't afford the ticket, and so on.
This might be different in the UK thanks to more data available, but we don't even know who needs a direct simple invitation and/or incentives to go get the shot.

Should a fit healthy 20 something suffer 2 years of fear because of a virus that is mega bias to the elderly and those with comorbidities? The average age of those who die from covid is over 80.

What's the PCR turnaround time like these days? Need a result by tomorrow noon ideally, for a job. Visit a pharmacy, perhaps?

Plenty of places will do a PCR test for travel with shorter deadlines. I can find some locally that will do them within 4 hours but they are £££. For example:-

https://www.theregenerativeclinic.co.uk/putney-covid-19-pcr-testing-same-day-and-next-day-covid-19-pcr-service/

24-36 hours = £69
Same time (before midday) = £99
4 hours (must be before midday) = £299

Where are you?

Thanks for the info. I'm in Hackney, managed to find this place who work a lot with production companies, they are sending someone out to me today - https://beaconsecure.co.uk/

Have been told it's £135, thankfully I'm not paying!

Yeah, fuck old people, I'll be fine.

You are joking right? Given your own history of risk assessment and statistical analysis.

oh here we go again!

yes thats absolutely my point. Fuck em.

Should a fit healthy 20 something suffer 2 years of fear because of a virus that is mega bias to the elderly and those with comorbidities?

Thats a question that can only be answered once we understand how Covid19 affects the human body. There are concerns, which is why we should exercise the precautionary principle.

I just wondered if the docs had made the connection.

Anyway I should have said sorry to hear about your friend.

This 8b persona has posted nowhere else except the COVID thread in 6 months or so.
Best to ignore single issue posters.

I have the exact same opinion of the vaccines.

Yeah I’d agree. I genuinely tried and there was no effort reciprocated.

I have the exact same opinion of the vaccines.

The only difference being that in the entire history of vaccines, no vaccine has been found to have side effects that show symptons that start two weeks from the vaccination date. Including with the various mRNA cancer trials over the last 21 years and the vaccine trials that started in 2013.

Vaccine accidents happen. The most recent significant one was in Netherlands during H1N1. We also know that there are side effects to the Covid vaccines, which in very rare cases can be serious but simply fearing the vaccines, despite their incredibly extensive trials and side effect monitoring, seem misguided to me.

Edit: Especially considering what the most recent trials and studies have found the vaccines to be safer than Covid itself. Even in young people.

Based on the two long covid sufferers I know, who were both in their twenties when they got it, and were both very fit... yeah probably.

That's before you even get to the 'nah im ok butchering someones granny so I can have good old laugh'.

Not sure how many times I have to repeat this but: Long COVID

I know someone who had it before vaccination became available now unable to work. In her 30s.

How about an honest and transparent government.

You have to persuade the population to vote for this. Good luck.