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Let’s hope Ghislaine finds a hobby to keep her entertained in prison. Something simple like destroying Prince Andrew should help pass the time.

Is it just me - or is she a bit of a (guilty) hottie? I am middle aged mind you.

Yeah - I did it with a group and was the only one to get round. 65-70 miles or something? I remember not being able to walk for days after

Christ.

😂

Maybe Mossad will bust her out? Robert, her Dad, probably spied for them. Six heads of Mossad went to his funeral. He was widely believed to have shopped Vanunu to them. (Vanunu worked on Israel's nuclear weapons programme but leaked it to the press. The Israelis kidnapped him in Italy and jailed him for 18 years.)

Robert was born Jan Hoch in a town in Czechoslovakia which is now in Ukraine.

Bunch of dickheads cause trouble in Milton Keynes:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/29/anti-vaxxers-denounce-covid-testing-centre-in-freedom-march-through-milton-keynes

How long did that take?

When I was homeless I often walked long distances but tried to limit it at 40 miles a day which is still a long day of walking on mostly road/pavement surfaces and was sustainable over multiple days

I don't think I ever walked as much as 50 miles on a single day let alone 60+

Just googled it - was a mere 55 miles (has got longer in my head as years went by...). IIRC we started in the evening and I finished late morning so maybe 16 hours or so?

I also remember that i was the only one that turned up in running shoes - everyone else had walking boots on which was a huge mistake as it was on pavement and road!

Impressive. That's like a Dunwich dynamo but for drunk students on foot.

led by former Ukip candidate Jeff Wyatt

'nuff said

Robert was born Jan Hoch in a town in Czechoslovakia which is now in Ukraine.

What is the significance of this to the current verdict?

Car ads in France compulsory to include one of the following messages as of March 2022:

For short trips, favor walking or cycling

Consider to carpool

On a daily basis, take public transport

At least 7% of the ad. Print, radio, TV. Inc

The industry will focus group which of those people are least likely to do, and use that. Still, at least it’s an effort in the right direction.

Given some of the biggest car companies in France are at least partially owned by the state, I suspect they'll set the tone and the others will follow.

There will be loads of articles on what she did now

BBC leading the way on that... https://www.thedailybeast.com/bbc-brings-on-alan-dershowitz-of-all-people-after-ghislaine-maxwell-guilty-verdict

Not a lot. It's just a factoid which caught my eye. The town is in Carpathian Ruthenia, which changed hands many times. It was in Hungary for most of the war. The Nazis rounded up the Jews, including most of Robert Maxwell's family, who were killed in Auschwitz. Ghislaine is sometimes presented as a member of the English upper class, but I wonder whether she sees herself more as a persecuted minority, struggling to survive. After her father's death she was rescued by Epstein. Was she another of his victims? Would she ever have preyed on young girls if she hadn't needed to pay her debt to him?

rescued by Epstein

From a life of abject wealth and privilege.

The poor dear.

No wonder she sought solace in soliciting and trafficking underage girls.

Thoughts and prayers.

I don’t know the answers to these questions, but it seems like a just verdict.

What doesn’t seem just is the absence of prosecutions of the very many powerful men who shared Epstein’s company.

What doesn’t seem just is the absence of prosecutions of the very many powerful men who shared Epstein’s company.

Statute of limitations I assume. The challenge of proving it even if it hadn't passed; just look at the Prince Andrew case.

Hopefully this is just the start. The court has found that four of the victims made truthful accusations. I'm not a lawyer, but I'd have thought that this could enable many more prosecutions.

As for Ghislaine, I do see her as a victim. There's a parallel with some of the young girls, who were abused and then persuaded to recruit other girls. She and Epstein controlled them. But Ghislaine was also being controlled. She had a sexual relationship with Epstein, she thought she was his girlfriend, she wanted to marry him, he gave her $30 million, which enabled her to rebuild the life she had before her father died. What we didn't find out at the trial was whose idea it was for Epstein to have sex with underage girls. Was it his? Or Ghislaine's? Did they strike some sort of bargain? Her defence was 'I didn't do it'. Perhaps she'd have got a better result if she said 'I did it, but only because I was in a coercive, controlling relationship.'

"but only because" doesn't really fit well with guilty or not guilty

It does, it's called mitigation. It shortens the sentence.

I expect there have been a lot of out of court settlements and NDA's over the years

Thing is, none of this is mutually exclusive.

While she grew up in wealth, her dad was a grade A cunt who clearly fucked all the kids up. It seems pretty likely that she was groomed by Epstein, and that had she had a different childhood/father she'd probably not fallen victim to him, or even got involved in the first place.

Likewise imo there is an awful lot of focus on her to the exclusion of everyone else. Epstein couldn't have run things with just her help. Is there a word or phrase for a scapegoat who's also a guilty cunt?

All that said, she was an adult and what she did was hideous. Explaining isn't condoning.