The Two Bicycles of Varonha.

Until you reject drop handlebars

In my personal experience, not that much better

I guessed as much, hence why I stick with cables, calipers and cantis.
I don't ride particularly fast, even down hill (never pedal, just let gravity do it's thing), so coming to a halt is not too much of a problem.

My options currently:

1. Join the cult of Heine
   
2. Surly-Corner-bar.jpg
   
3. Sell all road bikes, buy a mtb and some fresh dungarees
   

some fresh dungarees

And a mudguard, I hope

Another vote here for rim brakes being fine.

Modern road hydro are another league.

Agreed.

Sell all road bikes, buy a ssmtb and some fresh dungarees

i did this and it feels good.

Those are like 6 years old

I think you should have Winston make something equivalent to Ed's Oak randonneur. Downtube shifters, low trail, 650b etc.

I guess that's what you're actually planning.

Summat like that, yeah, may have to revisit Ed's oak bike, been a while since I've seen a pic.
Edit: just had a look at his thread, not far off, obviously a lot smaller though!

Just had a call off a nice chap at Pacenti (great customer service), they've come to box up my rims and found they only have one, container with fresh stock arriving next week (fingers crossed), so not too long a wait.
Really can't fault them on their level of service, when I bought my Forza rims they answered a query I had within 2 minutes, changed my order that was getting dispatched that day, and their rims are rather good too, highly recommended!

Ed's Oak is something of a 650b benchmark as far as I'm concerned - love that bike.
Saw Winston this morning and reassured him that you were serious about ordering another frame.
I don't think he could quite get his head round it!

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Wondered why he hadn't been back in touch. I'll give him a call later this week if I've not heard from him.
Evans frame of yours seems to be going a bit beyond pub bike now?

Yeah give him a bell.
Evans frame is going beyond a pub bike. I reckon it's almost a wine bar bike now.

I considered DT shifters on my Roberts build but was warned off it. Admittedly I haven't read all 39 pages so I don't your history here, but they seem like an unnecessary ballache with no benefit

I've used them on a couple of bikes, don't find them a ball ache, admittedly they're not a convenient as STI, but my thinking is I may change from drop to flat bars on the new build as the mood takes me, so only having to faff with brake cables is far more straightforward.
Friction shifting takes a little getting used to, but once you've got it, it ain't so bad.

Well this is just confusing. I have an equilibrium I was thinking of building up as a fast summer bike, and I could wack some 7900 DT shifters on the Roberts and parts bin a whole other group for the genesis, but I haven't due to people saying DT shifters were "madness". Food for thought, cheers

If you can find a cheap pair give em a go, the 7900 ones are indexed rear, friction front. Dia compe do some fully friction (11 speed, but works with 10 speed too).
Confusion reigns supreme, embrace it, I have ;)

That would be great, I'm looking at Pacenti Brevet rims for the build.

Hey
Just remembered to do this. WTB Byway 47c tyres on Brevet rims are 690mm tall.

Ta very much, appreciate you going to the bother.

I stick with cables, calipers and cantis.

Amen!

I could wack some 7900 DT shifters on the Roberts

Do it!
DT shifters feel really nice to use, in my opinion, and they're low maintenance. Ideal for a tourer. The issue of reaching down to them is only a real issue if you're a million feet tall and have no balance.

The issue of reaching down to them is only a real issue if you're a million feet tall and have no balance

I sold mine years ago...

Missed an opportunity to have them mounted on the headtube!