• I'm asserting that folks are missing the wood for the trees if individual actions are all they see

    I don't think anyone is missing the wood or the trees in this case, apart the the trees you seemingly minimised, if not ignored, in your posts. Both are important, changing systems is obviously the big goal, but those systems aren't going to change themselves, showing that change is wanted and needed on an individual or local level will be what drives larger change and shows support for it. Also, telling someone that their experience of racism is what they're stuck with until a systemic change is brought about that will likely benefit future generations as trying to educate racists is futile, seems a lot like minimising racism and letting racists off the hook for something they should be personally responsible for.

  • You do a good job of making it sound like a chicken and egg situation, but I'm still inclined to reiterate that racism is self-evidently a subset of classism. Doesn't that make classism the root problem?

    Also, telling someone that their experience of racism is what they're stuck with until a systemic change is brought about that will likely benefit future generations as trying to educate racists is futile, seems a lot like minimising racism and letting racists off the hook for something they should be personally responsible for.

    I wouldn't dream of letting racists off the hook. But if you look out the window, it might be apparent that if we give it another decade without tackling classism, the tiny-minded avarice of the neoliberal filth will soon render the whole question moot. Civilised behaviour requires a civilisation to happen in.

  • But if you look out the window, it might be apparent that if we give it another decade without tackling classism, the tiny-minded avarice of the neoliberal filth will soon render the whole question moot. Civilised behaviour requires a civilisation to happen in.

    This is all true, apart from the bit about rendering the question moot, which again is minimising people's experiences of racism. It's also no good ignoring the trees to save the wood when those trees are telling you they're being attacked and you can listen to those trees and help them whilst saving the wood, or whatever long-winded metaphor we're going with. Do both, do better innit.

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