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and anyone riding a 62 isn't going to notice a 1lb difference anyway!
I think buying for yourself with your eyes open is one thing (I have 105 mechs on my "ultegra" cross bikes) but a brand having to sell things is quite different.
@PhilDAS could you do the equivalent the trendy MTB steel frame guys do* and use a double butted down and top tube?
*use one 853 tube with the rest basic 4130 and put the 853 sticker on that one
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could you do the equivalent the trendy MTB steel frame guys do* and use a double butted down and top tube?
Aiming for that as it is yes. Butted front triangle, heavily ovalised chainstays and skinny seatstays.
I'd like an ovalised top tube and I'm not sure of the order of machining for tubing. If it's butted and then ovalised, fine. They won't be able to do it the other way around so I may have to chose between round butted or straight gauge oval for the top tube.
PhilDAS
Someone is definitely making butted frames in China as Bearclaw write in plain text that they are made in China and they also claim that the frames are double butted.
@leggy_blonde - yeah, fair, but still, you're only gonna save 1lb if you're riding a 62cm frame. I think he's being fairly up front and honest about the advantages of butting titanium. Just as Gaulzetti was when he designed my Seven.
Clearly I really am an outlier. Even though I could afford it, I chose 105 over Ultegra last time I bought a Shimano groupset!