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  • Such a brave and nuanced take. You’re clearly some kind of 21st century Nostradamus.

    Maybe we should get fridge magnets made up?

    It's only about consumerism. Consuming lots of Green things is just as much of an issue. 
    From an environmental point of view you are better off running you old car into the ground than buying a new electric vehicle.
    And the minerals for the batteries are almost exclusively mined by people with appalling pay and conditions in 3rd World countries. 

    Compulsive “Green” consumerism is the new ”Wannabe Cool”.

  • Or…. The lease on my massive v6 diesel Range Rover was up and there was no option to buy, so I swapped for an electric vehicle. Or… my wife needed a little run around car for the little one so we got a second electric car too.

    People “need” new things all the time. You should try not to assume why and maybe focus your edgy opinions on people buying new petrol, diesel or hybrid vehicles instead.

    I also strongly dispute the ‘run it into the ground’ spiel. Aside from the obvious local emissions piece, there is consumables which aren’t present in electric vehicles (oil etc) that continue to pollute as well as noise pollution. Then there’s all the additional plastics, rubbers and metals created and stocked to keep old vehicles on the road and the manufacturing pollutant cost of those.

    It’s a lazy argument because being anti-electric cars is the new “wannabe cool”.

  • How is it a lazy argument? I think it pretty well established that running an existing vehicle has a far lower environmental and social cost than manufacturing a new one

    In addition I would say it is an anti-consumerism position rather than anti-electric and how is running a knackered old car ever cool, there is far more social credit to be gained from showing off your shiny new EV

  • People “need” new things all the time.

    Isn't the unfortunate reality that far, far too often they don't? Anyone who as been to a decent recycling centre will have seen the epic piles of perfectly good stuff being scrapped.

    One of our friends only buy 2nd hand for everything. Another friend is very into buying green and ethically sourced things. I have no doubt the former has a lower carbon footprint.

    Ultimately I don't think it's helpful to get to into the personal as your post shows. I mean I've chosen to have my own children so have no environmental leg to stand on. What we need is a fundamental change in how our economy works and how we add meaning to our lives.

    One final thing I would counter on any numbers about EV carbon footprints, is that anecdotally I can only think of one person on here who's talked about running their EV into the ground.

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