Chat about Novel Coronavirus - 2019-nCoV - COVID-19

It's a combination of factors:

1, Loads of immigration from all over. Residents, no matter where they're from, can come and go as they see fit so variants have popped up here pretty quickly.
2, We had national day here. Public bank holiday, coinciding with bars reopening properly. Hotspots around all the usual areas people go and have a fun time. Football has only added to it.
3, Mass testing. On average I get at least one invite a month to go and get a random test. This is on top of any track and trace stuff and I've already had my first jab

So a combo of a lot of international travel, bars reopening and people enjoying the nice weather and loads of testing means loads of positives in a small population. A couple of weeks ago the R-rate was genuinely worrying, but it's back under 1 now thankfully.

Is there in history a tory PM who has never been a total disgrace?

Its all relative, isn't it? Some Tory PMs have been less of a disgrace...

Lets face it, the Prime Ministers from both parties over the last 30 years or so haven't exactly been disgrace-less...

Yet we keep voting them in.

New guidance is out for the clinically vulnerable, was reading it as it impacts one of my parents, might as well just say you are on your own
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-on-shielding-and-protecting-extremely-vulnerable-persons-from-covid-19/19-july-guidance-on-protecting-people-who-are-clinically-extremely-vulnerable-from-covid-19

Tomorrow's i front page picks it up at least:

I can’t says I’m not expecting it to be like this, concur with August bank holiday being another possible lockdown.

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I got the tube in today, one of the first times during commuting hours. Pleasantly surprised to see that everyone was still wearing a mask, will obviously be interesting to see how that changes next week.

i plan to return to working from the office next week tuesday 20 July. had my 2nd jab back in may. we had a brief spell in the office (like about 12 people out of 400) last summer after lockdown 1 eased, clerkenwell was desperately quiet though for those 5 weeks, but i really appreciated then, not being stuck at home during the heatwave.

last year had forehead temperature reading robot/nurse on reception. this year, we need to self administer the covid-19 self test (Rapid Antigen Test) on monday (every monday), if all clear i can attend office tuesday through to thursday. i plan to cycle in, just hope the showers are available, otherwise it's a bit meh to be honest.

after sunday's frnezy of football. i do worry that we end up with a wembley variant though. i hope not. i also hope that those that can, do have double jab of the covid vaccination.

i will continue wearing my mask and use sanitiser hand gel when i enter shops, the offices, the pub. I'd like to think that if we do lockdown again come the winter, that at least i haven't gone more than 12 months with WFH situation.

Johnson-Wembley variant I think you’ll find.

Ha! Really!? Which line and what time of day? District line & jubilee line rammed full of folk with no mask or mask worn incorrectly (or more often than not taken off to under the chin). Has been for months...

Piccadilly and Victoria around 8am. Far more wearing them than other times I've travelled (normally weekends).

Just shows how variable compliance is. Popped in to Sainsburys last night. About a quarter of people in there were maskless. On other visits everybody has been masked more or less.

we need to self administer the PRC test on monday (every monday), if all clear i can attend office tuesday

The pcr test you need to send off to a lab, did you mean LFT / lateral flow?

Taken from Francesca Martinez facebook page in reply to her post about the WHO report of covid isn't over.

Absolute 🐃💩. Do you really believe they would've let 60k into Wembley on Sunday and also filled Wimbledon if there was a deadly contagious virus around? Give your heads a wobble, throw away your TV sets, stop reading the daily comics and wake up, because until you do, this nightmare will continue. After the summer holidays they're coming for your kids with their deadly experimental jabs. Get a grip!

You are lost 🤗 however, I truly empathize with you. Bless. Unlike you and others of your ilk I was intelligent enough to carry out my own thorough scientific research into this farce rather than believe the most murderous, abhorrent, lying government in our history. Go lock yourself away forever, whilst millions of us get on with living our lives as we see fit.

There are millions of us unmasked, un socially distanced, un jabbed folk who've attended nationwide marches for the past few months. (2 million at the last London march) We hug, kiss and mingle with each other, sing laugh and generally enjoy life. Why arent we all (or even a small percentage) dropping like flies from this highly contagious, multi strain, killer 'virus'? I'm in touch with many groups who've attended these marches and I cant find anyone who has or knows anyone who has become sick from covid. The 'virus' appears to be afraid of us...or could it be we are immune to bullshit? I'm not claiming a 'virus' didnt exist but it has been blown out of all proportion. During the winter of 2017 over 60 thousand people in the UK lost their lives in a few short weeks. Hospitals were overflowing, corridoors were filled with bodies on stretchers etc. Why no lockdowns? Why no face masks?, Why no scary TV flu bulletins? Wake up.

How can you discuss with people like this?

my bad it is the covid-19 self test (Rapid Antigen test) just arrived in the post from NHS.

There I was worried for a moment that you'd fallen under the sway of the People's Republic of China.

i was worried too, swaying that is :)

How can you discuss with people like this?

Why are you posting this horseshit? I don't even know who Francesca Martinez is let alone some cretin who posted that on her Facebook wall. Just ignore it.

Edit: Its not even one post. Did you really just copy and paste 5 different posts from the same person just to make it super readable and paste it on another platform?!

Yeah, that makes more sense. I have to do two per week in work before my shift starts. Can't be trusted to do it at home incase I just pour orange juice on it.

Hopefully they will remain free!

How can you discuss with people like this?

By not seeking them out through Facebook like some weird stalker.

ha good luck with that, it was simpler just turning up and having a temperature check at reception last summer, every day we signed in. also we had zero rejections last year.

this intervention is putting alot of our staff off coming into London, because its got track and trace written all over it, also my testing kit is made in the PRC so @Oliver Schick knows im being swayed..

anyways its needed on monday whilst working from home, if clear proceed to the office from tuesday to friday.

Am posting as this is a discussion thread, and there are people with this opinion that is quite out there. Was a genuine question, how can you discuss covid with people with this opinion. Is it a case of ignoring or trying to interact with science.

I copied three post from Francesca page as I'm was wondering if there is a reply as it makes me uncomfortable/upset that people have died and this is the reaction.

Francesca Martinez is a comedian, actor, disability activist and socialist.

how can you discuss covid with people with this opinion

I don't think you'll be able to have any kind of a discussion with them and therefore I probably wouldn't bother.

Some people on the Internet are just wrong (cue xkcd link) and there's no little or no point attempting to "help" them.

I'd just assume that someone else with more time and energy will attempt to fight them, and I'd just move on.

I didn't realise this wasn't rhetorical.
Apart from debunking the meme generator (64000 did not die of flu in the winter 2017/2018) you need to explain the percentages for the covid denial "I don't know anyone that caught it" (and I hope my maths is right because it's how I explain it)
TLDR you don't know as many people as you think you do.

5160000 cases in the UK = 7.6% of the population.
If they have 1000 friends inc social media that is only 0.0015% of the population. If their friends are also covid deniers they probably won't get a pcr test if they felt ill anyway, so it's quite probable they don't know someone who has been diagnosed with covid.

Increasing it to 1 degree of seperation: 1000 different friends of freinds each is 1'000'000 people which is still only 1.5% of the population.
So you can see how there are plenty of people who don't know anyone who has had covid, but also how few people they actually know compared to the complete picture. 67 million people could have covid and it still be statistically possible that nobody in your 1 degree of seperation have it.

Does that make sense? Of my covid denying contacts nobody has called me out on it. I was getting whataboustism in reply (usually memeXcore research) but it has been slowly diminishing - maybe they're just not engaging with me but I'd like to think I've made a difference.

I get very anxious about posting stuff like this and I don't intend to mislead anyone, so I'm happy to take it down if it's just plain wrong.

I'm not sure your math is right or it's right but not really telling the right story

1000 may only be 0.0015% of the population but you would still expect close to 7.6% of that 1000 to have caught covid.

It is entirely possible that 0% of a 1000 sample not have had covid but the odds would be extremely low.

1000 may only be 0.0015% of the population but you would still expect close to 7.6% of that 1000 to have caught covid.

It is entirely possible that 0% of a 1000 sample not have had covid but the odds would be extremely low.

You'd need to explain that to me a different way, though I'm not great at statistics. Why is it 7.6% of any sample size?

If I draw a line 100m long, colour in various segments totalling 7.6m randomly in red and use a window 1.5mm wide to view the line (0.0015% of 100'000mm right?) How likely am I to see red?
It's a virus that has to be transmitted from someone else so the red lines have to be grouped in clumps, right? They're not going to be evenly spaced.