Chat about Novel Coronavirus - 2019-nCoV - COVID-19

for some can cause panic/serious anxiety.

Having my face covered is a trigger for severe anxiety attacks for me. It was difficult for me to wear masks at first, especially in hot weather or public transport. I stuck with it so I wouldn't kill anybody. I'm pleased to say that after a year of doing it, having my face covered no longer causes me any problems at all.

I like to think I am not a c*nt

Wrong on both counts. Also, learn to punctuate.

having my face covered no longer causes me any problems at all.

and our sex life has never been better

Not this?

Genuine heartfelt good on you, it is no easy task.

Sort of annoys me when some people fake claim issues as the actions of many to overcome the (there) issues feels be littled.

Also how often can you actually change someones opinion.

we would have been much better off vaccinating those who need it here

That's not really going to help though, vaccines work by making the whole population less receptive to getting or spreading the virus, and above a certain point, stopping it all together, a lot of the people who are most vulnerable and "need" it will be most likely to not be able to have it, which is why everyone else should get it to protect them.

and our sex life has never been better

LOL

Is that rep worthy ;)

See smallpox vaccination and eradication (in a generation?) as proof

Apologies I don't have the time to trawl through and give you a full answer but I'm not a lone wolf here. Whole countries have stopped using AZ and J&J for example - Italy (AZ to over 60's only), Denmark (AZ and J&J unless you ask for it).

https://www.virology.ws/2017/12/07/a-problem-with-dengue-virus-vaccine/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6290032/

Some easy to understand language and good discussion in the comments around the timescales for ADE to start being observed -

https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/02/12/antibody-dependent-enhancement-and-the-coronavirus-vaccines

"I spent quite few years working on dengue ADE. I tried to build a dengue mouse model using wild-type mouse by mixing anti-dengue antibody with virus particles before infecting mice. In my hand, I could only observe ADE with lower concentration of antibody. Too much antibody then I can not see ADE.
For people with less experience in ADE, it’s easy to think when you don’t see ADE NOW, you won’t see ADE in the FUTURE. Philippine actually realized there is ADE from dengue vaccine after 3 years.
For COVID vaccine, I’d suggest setting up an animal study with serial diluted vaccines and longer observation time to observe whether weaker immune response or waned antibody would elicit ADE."

We haven't even discussed the spike protein yet -

https://www.regulations.gov/document/FDA-2020-N-1898-0246

Anyway I'm obviously a nasty c*nt who doesnt care about anyone but himself so i'm going to leave it there. Keep healthy and make sure you take your Vitamins.

I'm taking cod liver oil for vitamin D. But I can only boost my immune system to 100% of what it is, and being less sick still makes me infectious if I get it.

Always wear a mask, only met people outside in restaurants etc.. will remain very careful.

Problem is...not everyone can be in the luxury situation we are in. Shop workers, colleagues...

If you can wfh, meet people outside only, always wear a mask, don't travel to hotspots, self isolate and test on return ok fair enough to wait.

I have to agree I rather see my booster shot go to countries that need it more and my secondary school age son is happy to donate his vaccine.

I would really encourage you to reconsider, long covid is no joke. Please don't wait forever.

vaccines work by making the whole population less receptive to getting or spreading the virus, and above a certain point, stopping it all together

I don't think we're at the point of being able to stop it altogether, unvax transmission was 10% in a household, Vax transmission is 6/5% depending on brand (see BMJ link posted back pages)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57772515

Decreasing the sensitivity of the app - Keep everyone going to work regardless. Feels like they're just turning covid off, time for the plebs to crack on.

All feels very much like closing eyes, sticking fingers in ear and hoping for the best

Who would look at this graph and think "yep, let's go for it!"

It seems like they've forgotten what exponential growth looks like again, just like they did last summer. Look what a great position we were in April / May - squandered.

I don't know the differences between 'case' and 'deaths' and whether they're decoupled now, or whatever stat it is they've used to justify moving on. It seems that there should be at least some positive correlation between the number of cases and the number of deaths (i.e. as cases go up, then deaths go up). Whatever, I imagine they've had to select the data quite significantly to make a solid case for encouraging people to go back to normal.

It's quite simple: It's a decision taken by Boris Johnson. Therefore, it's the wrong decision.

Anybody familiar with how things were dealt with in the US? I was under the impression that lockdowns weren't that well observed in a lot of states and face mask usage wasn't great. I appreciate that its a big place so there would have been lots of variations of measures but it does appear that they ended up getting their shit together...

I was thinking about them also - they were terrible six months ago. I think it shows directly how clearer leadership drives the case number - which reflects rather badly on Johnson

That chart's a tad misleading. Here's Western Europe (and Greece. Oops) with up to date data.

Not claiming this shows the UK is smashing it - obviously still highest. But also first to be hit with Delta in Europe and highest vaccine rates.

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I mean there are a lot of arguments against blanket vaccination anyway.

Name one.

I don't know what the person replying to you was considering, nor do i care, as apparently i have them ignored.

But chicken pox. Standard vaccine in some countries, not in others, for reasons.

There are a few others, iirc.

In general, though, looking for reasons, however tenuous and haphazardly researched-on-facebook-while-you-take-a-shit, not to have the covid vaccine is just dumb.

Call em out. Not for their sake, but for the sake of anyone that might be listening to their effluemt ideas.

Wtf is happening in Luxembourg?

It's a tiny country of 600k, which is going to make comparisons a bit odd.

Call em out. Not for their sake, but for the sake of anyone that might be listening to their effluemt ideas.

Tried to. Posed the 'please show your working' question regarding the claim that they'd carefully considered the risks and benefits. As usual, a stream of whataboutism on completely different topics instead of an answer.

It's a tiny country of 600k, which is going to make comparisons a bit odd.

This. Fewer people = smaller changes will look more extreme than they would elsewhere (in either direction).