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• #552
God knows what went on here to cause this tragedy. A police chase again.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/hounslow-station-death-police-chase-tributes-b930869.html
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• #555
This case has been featured in this thread a number of times. A police officer who was involved in the police chase that led to the deaths of Rozanne Cooper and Makayah McDermott has been charged with 'two counts of causing death by dangerous driving, causing serious injury by dangerous driving, and dangerous driving'.
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• #556
When this was first reported the van driver was blamed. Seems the evidence points to the truck driver! https://twitter.com/surreyroadcops/status/1397133056331370499?s=21
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• #557
Geographically-challenged cops might want to edit that Tweet to say correctly that it was actually in Hook Road, not East Street:
Would also be good in the buildings thread, although the bridge is evidently more of a structure. :)
Either way, is there any information why the van was stationary at that point? Was there a queue ahead of it? I can't tell from the video.
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• #558
The tragedy behind this ... I'd guess that the crash rate for delivery riders is well above that for most other road users. RIP Matheus Matos Menezes. So desperately sad.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/matheus-matos-menezes-deliveroo-crash-merton-b938103.html
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• #559
Absolutely unbelievable timeline for this driver.
Killed a 13 year old boy in 2004 and banned for driving for 5 years, jailed for six months.
Between 2016 and 2018, totted up enough points for a driving ban, yet argued exceptional hardship and got off.
Killed another person in 2019.The mind boggles.
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• #560
More mind boggling and I can’t get my head round the reasoning for the sentence at all.
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• #561
That seems completely absurd, yes. Not fit to be behind the wheel because of being drunk means he has no 'criminal culpability'? Well, let's just abolish those bothersome drunk-driving laws entirely while we're at it. RIP David James Shields.
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• #562
To be fair, there are not many drivers like that (repeat offenders who got away with it), but that they are allowed to continue driving for such flimsy reasons is just terrible.
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• #563
One of the most horrible things is when small children get hit:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/toddler-injured-hit-moped-acton-uxbridge-road-b939564.html
The 19-year-old rider of the moped stopped at the scene. He was arrested on suspicion of dangerous driving and driving while under the influence of drugs. He remains in custody.
Seeing that people were 'driving while under the influence of drugs' makes me so angry. You see it very, very frequently now. I've seen a couple of reports of court cases in which this was a major item.
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• #564
Yet another fatal crash involving an emergency vehicle, this time in Stockwell:
https://news.met.police.uk/news/fatal-collision-involving-police-car-in-lambeth-429150
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• #565
I saw the aftermath of this, looked grim without knowing the full details. Seems to be a lot of accidents at that junction.
https://www.mylondon.news/news/north-london-news/turnpike-lane-crash-live-pedestrian-20928549
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• #566
Yes, cement and tipper lorries, and yes, that junction hasn't been changed in any substantial way for decades except for the High Road scheme abutting on it, but that has its own issues. The junction has indirect pedestrian crossings, guard rail, no pedestrian crossing close to the junction on the northbound approach, almost all the lane widths are wrong, etc. It needs a very major scheme. Apart from the junction itself, traffic management in the surrounding area is also utterly rubbish, see Wightman Road and Mayes Road, for instance.
The pictures suggest that the lorry driver may have been turning left from Westbury Avenue into Green Lanes (south).
Standard article:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/turnpike-lane-man-killed-lorry-cement-lorry-b943212.html
RIP unknown walker.
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• #567
Having seen first hand what a tipper lorry can do to a pedestrian, I think part of why they are involved in seemingly a large number of fatalities, is just how easily they can kill people. There is no feedback to the driver (if they weren't looking in the right place) that anything has happened. The driver of the lorry that I witnessed, had no idea. There was no resistance, no noise or banging that would have been louder than the vehicle itself, so he carried on. Whereas a car or van would have more easily seen someone or at least heard something and stopped potentially before causing more damage.
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• #568
This may have changed since I was involved with tipper lorries but the drivers were paid in such a way the more loads you did the more you got.
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• #569
I would guess that with any type of HGV the fatalities are caused not by the impact (most occur at junctions where they're only moving slowly) but from being crushed under the wheels.
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• #570
That's what I mean, and smaller vehicles, the driver would be made aware (hopefully) before that happens.
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• #571
The pictures suggest that the lorry driver may have been turning left from Westbury Avenue into Green Lanes (south).
Yes, I suspect it was swinging wide to take the left turn
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• #572
Yes, and on large building sites, e.g. the Shard concrete pour, they're on punishing schedules, and alone in the cab. We should achieve far more Direct Vision lorries now (having said that, I've been looking out for them and I don't think I've seen any in Central London yet), but having a second person in the cab to watch the nearside would also be good.
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• #573
One of the worst things about many crashes is the turning speed that can be achieved. Even if the driver of a large goods vehicle could get feedback, it would probably all happen too quickly in many cases.
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• #574
Always deceptive for people who don't expect that, whether cyclist or pedestrian.
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• #575
I attended a session of which +dancing james was the instructor.
HGVs or any large vehicles are prone to blind spots!
Idiots. Is that some kind of 'race' gone wrong?