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with insurance companies and the govt. picking up the rest.
I can assure you that insurance companies won’t be contributing a penny. This and similar schemes will be the extent of their involvement in a solution
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No, there's nothing special about our lease. In most flat leases, it is pretty much standard for the exterior of the structure to be the freeholder’s responsibility, not the leaseholder's.
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Yep, the new homes warranty isn't really worth a thing. They aren't covering the cladding and isulation in our case, because they say that it passed building control and met the regulations at the time it was built.
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I agree that the property developers and homebuilders should be the ones paying for most of this. Also, the manfacturers of products that we now known falsely represented their products and what fire safety test they achieved, such as Celotex. They are the ones who walked away with all the profit when these flats were sold.
I really can't understand why the government seems intent on just not holding them accountable for this, and instead is bailing them out.
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I really can't understand why the government seems intent on just not holding them accountable for this, and instead is bailing them out.
Because the Government is completely corrupt?
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In most flat leases, it is pretty much standard for the exterior of the structure to be the freeholder’s responsibility, not the leaseholder's.
Yes - it’s their responsibility to look after it, but the leaseholders’ responsibility to pay for it, as long as the repairs are necessary and the correct tendering and delivery process is followed.
Apologies if that wasn’t clear initially…guess it wasn’t.
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I hate this feeling that it seems so likely another fire like Grenfell can break out.
Guardian and Standard articles on this ^:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/east-london-flat-fire-cladding-alarm-b933892.html
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/fire-east-london-tower-block-b933758.htmlIt was 2017 and there still hasn't been any justice over it. Action should have been taken long before the pandemic was starting.
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and yet a lot is going on. it's unnecessarily complex to make any changes though.
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Another fire on a Grenfell style building will surely happen - there have been 2x per year since 2017. Whether there is loss of life depends a lot on the time of the day it happens, size of building, which floor it breaks-out on and whether there is a linked alarm system. There seems to have been a huge shift in the mentality of residents on how they respond to the shelter in home advice - most are saying fuck that and getting out so it's more about do they know in time.
Of course if the fire breaks out in the dead of night, in a tall building on a low floor with no linked alarm system, it's a very diff and sad outcome.
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This is one of the most depressing pieces of news I've seen from the inquiry:
Here was a councillor who was clearly incompetent to hold the role he held and who didn't give a toss about anything other than aesthetics, adding negligence to incompetence.
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Yes, Grenfell was in a sense 'the perfect storm', for want of a better expression, where the factors you mention all came together, so let's hope that alone ensures it won't recur elsewhere.
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What an unbelievable nightmare this all is.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/21/grenfell-costs-surpass-500m-as-council-bill-revealed
There's also been more coverage of the lack of action and competence on the part of other councillors.
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Easily the most depressing aspect, apart from the deaths, is the general incompetence and shystery by people who seem to have seen all this as nothing but some kind of gravy train to jump on.
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The companies objected to the work starting without proper consultation, raising concerns that they had not had a say over the “substantial” cost that they will now face.
But Judge Frances Silverman, sitting in the First-tier Tribunal, ruled the urgency of the work must be prioritised over questions of cost.
“In considering this matter the Tribunal also took into account the three-and-a-half year time elapsed since Grenfell,” said the judge, referring to the “ongoing risk and anxiety suffered by those tenants who are living in the building”.
“Those risks are unconscionable and outweigh any potential financial detriment suffered.”
Well said.
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"Colin Todd, a fire engineer and an expert to the inquiry," whose son is now head of fire safety for K&C borough....
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sounds like a simple case but really the two companies that own and let the majority of the flats in the building are being made to pay to replace the cladding, when morally it should be the freeholder or developer that should be paying.
Yes the letting companies are being assholes by holding out:
"Full government funding for the works has been negotiated and will, subject to certain conditions, be available for private leaseholders but not to corporate lessees"
But I think it's ridiculous the govt is hand wringing about what they'll fund or not when there's so many people living in these dangerous buildings that were allowed to be built by years and years of relaxing building guidelines and privitisation of building control.
The cherry on top is the freeholder being a company registered in the British Virgin Islands. -
The range of things that can surprise me in this is really very small by now.
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See previous comment ... :(
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An LFB report on the New Providence Wharf fire:
The fire is believed to have been caused by a “consumer unit” or fuse box in a cupboard catching fire when a timer switch for an immersion water heater overheated.
The resident of the flat required hospital treatment for minor burns. About a fifth of the exterior of the building is covered by Grenfell-style ACM cladding but this “did not significantly add” to the spread of the fire.
However timber decking on the balconies was thought to have accelerated the fire’s external spread from the eighth to the 11th floor.
The provisional report says an automatic opening vent (AOV) system, which should have prevented the communal areas becoming smoke-logged, and cross-corridor doors both failed to operate.
“This allowed smoke and the products of combustion to flow through the common parts of the eighth floor (and subsequently beyond) making it difficult/impossible for persons on this floor to escape safely, while increasing the challenges and risks for firefighting and search and rescue operations within the building,” the report said.
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What discussion is there, apart from the fact that companies abused the deregulation.
The deregulation issue is another matter.