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  • for what it's worth I don't think it's dismissiveness or PC/woke culture gone mad that is alienating people from the labour party. it's the fact they have nothing to say about their lives, or a vision/offer that will make the country a better place

    This I think is key. I've been doing my best not to pontificate about this weekends results until they're in (you can imagine how hard that would be for me but I think it's important) but the more I'm thinking about it the more this argument lands with me.

    The woke stuff is important. It really is. It's easy to take the piss out of but it is important. If we're going to be a party about social justice then we have to be about social justice.

    But for most voters, it's the sauce, not the meal. The meal is life and death stuff; the rollout, crime, drugs, jobs, house prices, that stuff. Get that right, and we've earned the right to talk about the woke stuff. Only talk about the woke stuff and we look like we don't live in the real world.

    Does that sound right to any of you?

  • But for most voters, it's the sauce, not the meal. The meal is life and death stuff; the rollout, crime, drugs, jobs, house prices, that stuff. Get that right, and we've earned the right to talk about the woke stuff. Only talk about the woke stuff and we look like we don't live in the real world.

    I'd agree with this. For many people it's just not really on their radar and very low down the priority list.

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