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for what it's worth I don't think it's dismissiveness or PC/woke culture gone mad that is alienating people from the labour party. it's the fact they have nothing to say about their lives, or a vision/offer that will make the country a better place
This I think is key. I've been doing my best not to pontificate about this weekends results until they're in (you can imagine how hard that would be for me but I think it's important) but the more I'm thinking about it the more this argument lands with me.
The woke stuff is important. It really is. It's easy to take the piss out of but it is important. If we're going to be a party about social justice then we have to be about social justice.
But for most voters, it's the sauce, not the meal. The meal is life and death stuff; the rollout, crime, drugs, jobs, house prices, that stuff. Get that right, and we've earned the right to talk about the woke stuff. Only talk about the woke stuff and we look like we don't live in the real world.
Does that sound right to any of you?
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But for most voters, it's the sauce, not the meal. The meal is life and death stuff; the rollout, crime, drugs, jobs, house prices, that stuff. Get that right, and we've earned the right to talk about the woke stuff. Only talk about the woke stuff and we look like we don't live in the real world.
I'd agree with this. For many people it's just not really on their radar and very low down the priority list.
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Does that sound right to any of you?
I think the effect here is amplified by the urban/rural divide. Institutional and systemic racism, for example, are a lot less visible and apparent in the countryside and even in large towns, but those issues are front and centre for London, Manchester etc.
It seems to me the country, or maybe just the red wall, is angrier at Labour than they are at the Conservatives, and for me that has to lie at the feet of media strategy/media - what else could it be when L literally haven't been in power?
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for what it's worth I don't think it's dismissiveness or PC/woke culture gone mad that is alienating people from the labour party. it's the fact they have nothing to say about their lives, or a vision/offer that will make the country a better place. the reason they don't have anything to say is because the people in charge have no ideas beyond reheated blairism and appeals to 'electability'. they only know how to bully, wreck and be rude. when the labour party did have something to say for people's lives, the self same people spent years briefing and undermining the leadership in the press. hell they even went so far as to create their own astroturfing operation (the people's vote campaign) to wreck the party's electoral prospects because they knew brexit was kryptonite to the party's electoral coalition. the very same people are now turning round and barefacedly saying 'well of course we lost hartlepool, it was a very leave area.' um I'm glad you're exhibiting some understanding of the nuances at play across labour's electoral map but.... lol why did you push and push the party towards its disastrous brexit policy... umad bro ?
anyway I'm in the same place now as the person who posted the dicaprio meme. I wanted to jump in a burning bin on election night in december 2019 but now I'm just numb
(and please don't take what I've written above as a full absolution of the corbyn leadership - it was abysmal in many ways and the 2019 GE campaign was a disaster class. however, before labour can have any chance of progressing it needs to have an HONEST reckoning with what went wrong and right in 2017 and 2019.)