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  • Jeez has got more boring since he was here last.

    Also - his position would appear to be that there's a finite quantity of rights, and that it's smaller than the pool of people who should have them, therefore we all need to compete and by extension some will lose out. This strikes me as total bollocks, and as it's the basis of the argument does rather suggest how valid the rest of the argument is.

    Anyway, I reckon Labour need to nail their colours to the mast and advance policies, and if those policies lose them votes then they need to accept that. They won't gain any if they don't - and the "waiting for people to hate the Tories enough to vote Labour" (their current policy, it appears) is reasonably tricky when almost all the media and the national broadcaster are subject to regulatory capture by the Tory administration.

  • Anyway, I reckon Labour need to nail their colours to the mast and advance policies, and if those policies lose them votes then they need to accept that.

    Agreed, Starmer has been saying for months that now isn't the time for policies and he will present policies nearer to a GE in a manifesto but given one of the main reasons for doing poorly according to polling has been lack of policies/ not understanding what they stand for they have to change that position. I really don't know what vision they can sell though now that the Tories own levelling up and build back better which both seem popular. Probably should be a huge package of welfare reforms and an industrial plan under a Green New Deal banner but will be hard to distinguish from what the Tories are claiming to be offering and with the reputation for being fiscally irresponsible, how can they sell a package of fiscal stimulus like Biden is doing when they are seen as the party of the magic money tree.

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