EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

On a recent Newscast podcast, Laura Keunsberg referred to "Northern and Southern Ireland".

That made my ears prick up.

Is it an acceptable term?

Southern Ireland

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It's pretty common for it to be referred to as simply "The South" over here, but I imagine that was just a brain fart where she just went for the opposite of North after forgetting the proper name. Fun fact, the Northern most point in Ireland is in "The South".

Can we force all of the people who voted for this shitshow to register so that the rest of us can gather outside our houses at 8 every Thursday and give them a slow clap, like what happened in the first lockdown but y'know with more snarc, sarcasm and an even more heightened sense impending doom. Once we all get tired of that we could move on to tarring and feathering the cunts.

we should start a national movement to have a slow sarcastic clap at 6pm on the 1st April for the conservative party and brexiteers

a sir captain tom type movement that sweeps up 49.8% of the country on a wave of hatred for these two groups

clap for ........

just need a slogan

Damn. I usually buy consumables from Germany but there are a few things I always ordered from the UK.

Applause for the abyss

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55923233

EU and UK in talks over NI border protocol.

DUP wants it gone to save face, not gonna happen I think.

The unionists are roundly mocked on social media here for voting Brexit, an understandable sentiment but not exactly helpful.

#clapforcunts obviously

Thank you for this explanation.
I corrected a post yesterday swapping a well meant 'Eire' for 'ROI',
after seeing an @mmccarthy comment.
Apologies for any previous such usage.

Well,
it would fit on the side of a bus,
but whether anyone would let it ....

I wonder whether/hope that the UK/NI border issue will push the UK closer into the EU sphere in a piecemeal way.

There's reason for the EU to make concessions in terms of aligning smaller bits-and-bobs when the GFA is taken into consideration (that is, not a concession to the UK, but a concession to the UK not signing up to everything); it's likely to get support from both sides in NI if it resolves the NI/UK border issue while keeping the ROI/NI border open; and it's likely to be ignored by most Brexiters.

But whatever happens, it's going to be a long and drawn out process.

To be fair, I wasn't even aware of this myself despite living in Belfast for 20 years, 10 in London and now in ROI. But yeah, seems to be a bit of a thing to try to avoid the whole divided Ireland thing.

It's possible but it may have to mean UK concessions. The EU won't give regulatory concessions without another give.

And some UK asks may clash with the EU being concerned about UK trying to sneak in other tradedeals with lower food quality standards.

Now they could sell it if those concessions help farming and fishing, most people don't follow brexit in detail.

But I still suspect low regulation GB is the aim of the people in the Tory party that deal with trade.

Hard to trust them to do the right thing ATM

It's possible but it may have to mean UK concessions. The EU won't give regulatory concessions without another give.

Yeah, that was my point. The UK aligning with the EU is the UK conceding in a specific area. The concession bit was only in terms of the EU not demanding entire alignment as one package, but willingness to let the UK allign formally in smaller ways. There's probably a term for this, but think of something akin to Euro-creep.

But I still suspect low regulation GB is the aim of the people in the Tory party that deal with trade.

You're probably right (for a large chunk of them, any way). But large-scale disruption to the business sector will put pressure on them to find ways to ease the situation.

Hard to trust them to do the right thing ATM

Not ATM. Never. Ever. Trust. A. Tory.

It’s because British media and governments refused to recognise the name of the country as defined by its constitution (Ireland) and instead referred to it by the incorrectly spelled Eire.

So maybe it’s nuanced to some people, but it’s an important distinction and if you ever look around right wing arenas you’ll see Eire used very deliberately.

Anyway, apologies for the off thread rant.

No apologies. Really interesting to learn. I also had no idea.

I’m in Norn Iron - we normally refer to the ROI as The South. The majority of people I know from the ROI refer to NI as The North.
Oddly your complaint about misspelling of Eire may be a result of people not being able to get the acute on the capital E.
This is from the .gov website - notably no acutes on the E’s.

LIST OF PROSCRIBED GROUPS LINKED TO NORTHERN IRELAND RELATED TERRORISM
Continuity Army Council
Cumann na mBan
Fianna na hEireann
Irish National Liberation Army
Irish People's Liberation Organisation Irish Republican Army
Loyalist Volunteer Force
17 July 2020
Orange Volunteers
Red Hand Commando Red Hand Defenders
Saor Eire
Ulster Defence Association Ulster Freedom Fighters Ulster Volunteer Force

Can you clarify - are you saying 'Éire' is controversial when used by English/English speakers, as opposed to when used by Irish/Irish speakers, when I think it is maybe considered archaic at worst?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_the_Irish_state

Agreeing to the EU SPS rules would allow the removal of a huge number of the biggest issues- but it means two things (maybe three) from the UK gov:

1. Admitting that the deal they asked for caused these problems (making room to diverge)
   
2. Letting go of the fabled US deal (why they made room to diverge)
   
3. Signing up to EU regulation with no say in it
   
   

And I don’t think they have the integrity to do any of those rather than lose NI.

So we get Gove’s letter, asking for a two year transition for the rules his government asked for, four weeks after signing up to them, and before many come into action.

There's weird inconsistencies with accents in the UK, my daughter's name is Maëlle, it was fine have this put on the birth certificate when we registered her with our local council but when we applied for her passport we were told you're not allowed to use accents, so now we have 2 official id documents with different spellings. I'm sure this won't cause us any issues when we try to register her with the french consulate, as they're known for being an accommodating bunch 😂

Just to further this trivial point. This news article is from the Irish Times and they seem to have the knack of locating E acute. They are also an Irish newspaper and yet, they spell Saor Eire (I don’t know how to put the acute on the E) consistently without the acute.

As I said, the acute seems like a trivial matter and I am old and very well aware of the sensibilities on both sides of the border.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/the-sudden-rise-and-rapid-fall-of-saor-eire-1.1062394

"The Trials of Obelix" the movie has a fine dig at French bureaucracy it's on YouTube as "the place that drives you mad"

Unfortunately procurement at work is no different 😁