Should Scotland be an independent country?

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  • I’ll break down into single questions
    1 Do you believe smaller countries have a right to self determination?

  • If this was 'meaningless' why did the House of Lords sit for nearly 10 years to make a ruling, through 5 separate cases on Factortame alone, on the problem of how EU law should be dealt with in terms of UK law?

    What are you asking me? I ask because you appear to be trying to use a case that is about interpreting the application of law to discuss making law - these are two different things, no?

    We agreed that EU law had primacy when we signed up to it, that's a demonstration of our sovrinty in action for those to whom that is important.

  • I haven't denied the right to self determination. I have to live with Brexit!

  • But as they'd join the Euro within a couple of years maybe it wouldn't be an issue.

    Obviously that depends on whether they can join the EU. Whether the EU wants to give a pass to a country that probably wouldn't meet its fiscal requirements and whether Spain would view it as a worrying precedent given the cries for independence there.

  • Do you believe smaller countries have a right to self determination ?
    I can see your argument but that’s not for anyone else to decide, good or bad we can make our own future.

  • That’s not an answer.

  • ^^^Spain I believe is ok as long as a recognised, legal independence process is followed - something that has legitimacy and is seen and understood to so do.

  • This is all coulda woulda shoulda, the question is should Scotland be an independent country.
    I think if the majority of Scots vote for it, no one has the right to stand in their way.

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  • Do you believe smaller countries have a right to self determination?

  • Doesn't look like he's going to answer that, which is an answer of its own.

  • Do you believe smaller countries have a right to self determination ?

    I do.

    But then there is a line. Does Cornwall, for example, get to vote out of the Union? (Or out of England, rather).

    It's not a line I'd like to draw, that's for sure.

  • in reply to @hurricane_run

    That’s not an answer.

    There are some arguments / people not worth engaging in / with.

  • That’s not a q I have an opinion on because I don’t live in England, it’s not for me to decide.

  • Agreed, garage time to play with bikes, have a pleasant weekend folks.

  • My solution which has no flaws whatsoever:

    United Ireland, and an independent Scotland forced to take back all the Scottish-origin protestant colonisers (England doesn't have a monopoly on being a 'coloniser') from Ulster who don't want to be part of a united Ireland.

    Nothing could possibly go wrong.

  • I would ask your own question back to you.. We had a referendum in 2014 and Scotland decided to stay part of the UK. Do you believe in self determination?

  • Well there is the Orkneys that consistently vote different to mainland Scotland and Shetland which is about as removed from holyrood as it from Westminster. Although I'd be tempted to vote out if Kent ever got the option!

  • The Factortame case effectively made law. The application of EU law in the UK required law to be created.

  • You still haven’t answered but ok , I do believe in self determination. We ( I assume you live in Scotland?j had a referendum in 2014, 7 years later many people saw through the falsehoods that were peddled at the time, Gordon Brown, Ruth Davidson , Alistair Darling et al, two of whom are now Baron and Baroness with the 3rd soon to be, hindsight has shown we were lied to and the Brexit shitshow is turning out to be bad for the Uk, if the majority of Scots want independence, would you deny them the right? Try a straight answer.

  • Answers to how I understand your question:

    (a) self determination for Scotland - this is democracy 101 - essential - ref in 2016 provided an answer for "a generation"
    (b) Referendum in the near future - Oppose. We had one in 2016. I'm not in favour of plebiscites generally.
    (c) Independence - Opposed on economic grounds. Being Scottish or British is of no real concern to me. I find the cultural markers that denote Scottishness distasteful. The Scottish enlightenment seems an epoch away.

  • Within reason, yes.

    Although as others have pointed out the majority (including 16 and 17yo) decided to remain in what was framed as once in a generation. So there is also a balance of how often you re-run a question most people aren't that bothered about, and which the majority has already made a decision on.

    (Also genuinely no offence but posting the same questions multiple times makes you sound like a bot. I almost didn't reply out of habit from YT and reddit. )

  • It's not a line I'd like to draw, that's for sure.

    As in what constitutes a nation? Or how to cut off Cornwall? If only Kent wasn't so handy for the Euro tunnel I'd back an indy ref there.

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