• I disagree with them, just a thing, MTB, yes, drop bar bike, the fun is being full rigid, have skinny tyres, not dropping the seat, making it harder is funner

  • Surely distance depending. Just like how on cobbles everyone smashes the first few sectors down the middle by the end of a long ride they are hunting and crying for any respite that can be found...

  • Yeah, but remember when the same thing was being said when they were introduced in the MTB world years ago? Now people can't live without them.
    I think they'll come to serve a purpose on no identity gravel bikes, case in point, @hippy would have found one useful as would many people on long rides that aren't about shredding.

    I know I could do with one on the chunky tourer. Albeit not 800 fucking quid.

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