• People who spin this kind line seem to ignore the main reason for lockdown - without it, the hospitals will be overwhelmed. If R stays above 1 for long enough, the virus will grow, and the healthcare system will be unable to cope.

    If this happens, you get loads of Covid deaths, but you also get lots of other extra deaths as there is inadequate healthcare provision for normal illness and accidents.

    In this scenario, any deaths associated with lockdown you've prevented by not locking down will be exceeded by the extra non Covid deaths of an overwhelmed healthcare system - plus all the extra Covid deaths and suffering.

    People who really push the civil liberties/no lockdown option need to consider if they'd be happy to go about their daily business with very limited underlying healthcare provision. Once they've done that, they also need to consider if it's fair for them to ask the rest the country to do the same.

  • That's probably the most reasonable response to the anti-lockdown stance i've read for a while, i'm fed up arguing with people that it has to be like this or the heath service will effectively shut down - in some areas the hospitals are worryingly full again...

    Does anyone know of anyone that has received the vaccine yet? I have a friend that has, apparently due to being in an "at-risk" category but i'm wondering how widespread this is at present or if they're near the top of the list

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