Gravel / Gravé / Gnarmac / Groad / ATB

That look nice, same degrees of flare as the Cowbell.

@hippy here’s a shot of a 46cm cowbell with GRX, should give you an ideas, 12 degrees flare is subtle but welcome on the drop.

(Front shot, photo straighten to show the subtle flare).

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Ritchey Evo Max is 12deg flare, but barely any angle on hoods. I've found it so much more comfortable than previous non flared drops.

I have these. Nice enough bars, but they have practically no flare to speak of. Or maybe I just don't notice 12 degrees of flare.

Cowbell and +2cm on your road handlebar width, end of story.

This

Cheers, I'll let you know but I've got the grrl's old 46cm bars here already and I think they're too wide for me.

I don't use a handlebar bag. Even with the extra width, the aerobars and light(s) get in the way. Having easier access to feed bags would be nice as would having a flats position that didn't involve bent wrists or jamming my hands under the aerobar pads. I'm almost certainly gonna go 42cm and I reckon Cowbell you guys suggested, since it's the less crazy flare.

I'm pretty adaptable (hence not even noticing the 2-3cm difference in shifter height for err, I dunno how long) but I like the idea of starting with less insane hand positions.

My current bars are 31.8 all the way around too so they're fat all over (like their owner) which makes the tape fit under the hoods better and probably gives better load spread when riding behind the hoods, which I often do.

Someone is selling some Cowbells currently

The salsa handlebar have a generous 31.8 section for stuff like aerobatic, but doesn’t sound like it’s as generous as your existing bar.

I met a generous aerobatic at a bar once, we we're up, down and all over the place, really lifted me tbh.

I don't know what aerobatic is, and at this point I'm too afraid to ask.

Sounds like it went over your head?

Whatever bike this is looks great

Sounds like it went over your head.

Kenesis Tripster, Mason Bokeh .... anything else that I can look out for that are similar?
Looking for XL ideally frame only

Pinnacle arkose...

Cervelo Aspero

Is it even available? Evans gotten worse and worse.

For 2021 it becomes the Muddy Fox Arkose Courier.

Finding one second hand seems impossible. Mind you the others haven’t proven very fruitful either

How big a tyres clearance you’re looking for?

Well the Bokeh can take 45mm 700c

Trek Checkpoint Alu an option, more road focus than off road tho.

Ah yeah good shout