EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

Yeah it's definitely a bit early to do this now.

Especially as a border poll will come with a 100s of pages booklet and a supermajority rule.

Peter Robinson also made some "Lads it's gonna happen" sounds a few years back.

A no deal Brexit may really force the issue..

Cross border lane sounds good, more NI greenways coming too.

Ruh-roh

Howard,

Since the outset of our negotiations we were totally clear that we wanted nothing more complicated than the relationship the EU has with Canada.

One based on friendship and free trade.

But for much of the last few months the EU have refused to negotiate seriously.

Demanding the continued ability to control our legislative freedom and our fisheries in a way that is completely unacceptable to an independent country.

Which is why yesterday I decided that we should get ready for the end of the transition period on January 1st with arrangements based on the simple principles of global free trade, like Australia’s relationship.

And why I’m asking you to join me today as we embark on that new journey >>

For whatever reason the EU are not willing to offer this country, after 45 years of membership, the same terms as they did to Canada.

So now is the time to prepare.

we need to put more of our " friendship " on the table in the negotiations, but only if the eu give us free borders

I started picking out quotes but had to stop. Each line is more despicable than the last.

Like Canada, em no, like Australia actually.

🙄

Should we hate Canadians now? Like Americans do

Canadian are American.

Ruh-roh

Are you drunk or just doing the pedant "they're all North American thing"?

America the continent, USA is the country, i think that's where he's going

Don't know if this has been posted yet, but an interesting take:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/17/uk-tax-brexit-data-haven-britain

^ read that, interesting thought experiment.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/18/experts-claim-boris-johnsons-thin-eu-deal-will-cause-major-economic-upset?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Well, derr. EU says talks can still continue.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/19/brexit-gove-praises-constructive-move-as-eu-agrees-to-intensify-talks?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Now what.. UK refuses to resume talks, despite positive moves from both negotiation teams.

🙄

They’re petrified that there could be a resolution.

They’re petrified that there could be a resolution

Do you think they're actually worried about going through with it? Or that they make a decision they can't blame on the EU?

Oh definitely the second bit. But the first would show that they are complicit in trashing large bits of the UK. So both.

Could be...the fans are definitely not going to like the ending of Brexit season 4 :)

Some reaction from Theresa May to Gove the sophist:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/19/utter-rubbish-theresa-may-incredulous-at-michael-goves-brexit-claims

He specialises in speaking untruths persuasively. I mean, I don't find him persuasive at all, and of course much of it comes with the privilege of power, but he does seem persuasive to a lot of people.

The language in her question was telling too - “If the UK walks away...” - I don’t think the implication that it will be down to them was accidental or will have been missed by the front bench.

The unelected body of appointees and hereditary titles has backed a “regret” amendment trashing the UK Internal Market Bill, 395 votes to 169. I wonder how long before a BBC headline with "a government source" denounces the undemocraticness of the Lords...

https://www.thenational.scot/news/18808164.internal-market-bill-uk-government-suffers-heavy-lords-defeat/

What are the odds for Barnier and Frost to shake hands on a deal this month?
It seems that both parties finally understand the urgency of the situation.
Maybe the one good news of 2020...

The deal now is still lorry queues and a customs border in the Irish sea. Better than nothing, but watch the UK backpedaling being spinned soon.

The UK already signed up to strict state aid rules in Japan deal...

With all protections for UK fisheries (some parts of the eu fishing policy are not good) and farming outvoted and EU market access will be problematic for GB fisheries.

Meanwhile NONE of the UK custom systems and processes needed even for a deal are ready.

Yep, the first few months of 2021 are going to be quite the shock to quite a few people.

Wait till they hear about the benefits cap..

The UK already signed up to strict state aid rules in Japan deal...

Yeah this crazy, how a are we supposed to believe that the Tories are having a fight with the EU over state rules, there history of supporting a free market (for their mates/donors) is well documented.

Its just a red herring, to the working class people who voted for brexit and perhaps voted tory in the red wall to support there no deal posturing.

and your dead right, even with the shit deal we might get its still going to mean massive queues at customs borders, that was baked in as soon as we ruled out a customs union.

There's still a view from the public that a deal means nothing changes. But there's going to be massive job losses and price rises come 2021 whatever happens now.