Whisky / Whiskey / Bourbon

Or people will just live with fewer bottles, or get two barrels and two different tastes of whiskey..
(I have no idea what we’re going to do)

OK. A bit of Googling gave me the following articles

https://insidethecask.com/2019/02/12/how-and-where-to-buy-a-cask-of-scotch-whisky/

https://www.marklittler.com/every-distillery-you-can-buy-an-entire-cask-of-whisky-from/

(pic from second article)

There may be others so please add to the list. @DethBeard I'd be interested in what your broker says.

A couple of thoughts on this list

1. To get anything from a distillery known for single malts you need to spend ££££
   
2. I've not heard of any of these for single malts so that tells me a couple of things
   a) these could be new entrants to the market (possible but distilleries and licensing are expensive yo)
   b) these are more likely commercial distilleries that make whisky that ends up in lots of blends (Chivas, Jonny Walker, and other blends sold for export). They are not necessarily bad quality, just an unknown quality to us. There are a lot of these around and you will see lots of them around Speyside.
   c) these are originally distilleries from b) looking for new revenue sources
   d) Straight up ignore either Pendryn or The Yorkshire one. Just no.
   

Don't forget the costs of bottling and duty too, there's a good price guide on the Arran website. It says about 4k for a barrel, 10k (ish) for the total.

Thought I recognised the lagg name, it's peated and on Arran.

All of those apart from MacAllan and arran and Penderyn are new entrants (and even arran and Penderyn are fairly new), hence selling off new make casks to regain some capital.

Apart from Mcnean and mark littler which I know nothing of, none of them sell to blenders, all distill with the intention of stock going to their own brand single malt.

Middleton have only just started selling their own single pot still but have been trading off stock bought from one of the big Irish distillers for quite a few years.

Ardnahoe is one of the new Islay distilleries up by caol ila and lagg is the other new distillery on arran (think also owned by arran). Both will make peated new make, hence the price bump as peat is fashionable currently.

From the Arran site:

Equivalent price per bottle = £27.68 (current RRP for The Arran Malt 10 Years Old: £37.99)

To this you have to add the transport and handling charges for shipping the whisky from the bottling plant
to the delivery address and the cost of the labels.

• Depends on bottling location
  
  

Prices correct at 1st January 2020 – Subject to change

Purchase Price of First Fill Ex-Sherry
Hogshead – including 10 years storage and insurance £3950.00

Bottling Charge (approx. £29 x 30 cases of 12x70cl) £870.00

Cask removal charge*, transport to bottler & documentation £150.00

Duty on estimated yield of 116 L.P.A @ £28.74 per Litre £3,333.84

Sub-total £8303.84

VAT on above @ 20% £1660.77

Total £9,964.61

Sorry that formatting is a bit weird on my phone

I was always assuming £10k total cost (and hoping at least 9 other people wanted in...)

Using @n3il s find, they estimate 360 bottles and £10k total, currently 27 people involved.
That's about £370 each and around 13 bottles each (roughly £28 bottle)
Its not a "cheap" way to get a baker's dozen bottles of the same scotch, and not quick either.
(Still in)

Thank you. I am a few years away for paying much attention to the industry so very helpful.

I've also contacted Cask88 for their 0-3yo casks available (they may have 5-10yo and older available, I imagine they will get very expensive)
Once I get any availability lists I'll notify on here and can email it over to anyone interested.

There may be others so please add to the list.

Another new entrant
https://glenwyvis.com/cask-ownership/

Tentative 27 depending on costs etc

Make that 28 ...

1 cornelius_blackfoot
2 Aroogah
3 hippy
4 Chalfie
5 DethBeard
6 KatBalou'sPhone
7 jupiz
8 n3il
9 J0nathan
10 Bezzin
11 EB
12 EstelleGetty
13 Gewürzt
14 owl
15 cheekysnaker
16 lookitsluke
17 Landslide
18 Jamwam
19 Inbred
20 jdp
21 velosaurus
22 Cazakstan
23 LukeG
24 Skülly
25 bitterbuffalo
26 Tango130
27 rhb
28 jsabine

(Doin' lists wrong since nineteen-canteen ...)

Opportune time to first check this thread! I am very game for this.

1 cornelius_blackfoot
2 Aroogah
3 hippy
4 Chalfie
5 DethBeard
6 KatBalou'sPhone
7 jupiz
8 n3il
9 J0nathan
10 Bezzin
11 EB
12 EstelleGetty
13 Gewürzt
14 owl
15 cheekysnaker
16 lookitsluke
17 Landslide
18 Jamwam
19 Inbred
20 jdp
21 velosaurus
22 Cazakstan
23 LukeG
24 Skülly
25 bitterbuffalo
26 Tango130
27 rhb
28 jsabine
29 stelfox

Nikka from the barrel is great! We use one of the bottles for chia seeds now. Cool story. We just got a bottle of Nikka ‘Days’ which is good too.

On a Japanese whisky note, I visited the Yamazaki distillery a few years ago with my wife and 2 friends who work in the industry. Amongst us we tried one of everything from their tasting bar that isn’t commercially available - new make, spirit for blending, can’t even remember what else now. 2 full trays worth of drams. We recorded ourselves tasting each thing and discussing it. That recording, me with no idea how to express tastes, I am promised is lost. Good buzz though and interesting

Nikka from the barrel is great

I tried a little yesterday and have to agree. I judge everything against the Bunnahabain 12 and I think the Nikka is a little lighter but very similar.

I have the Whisky Broker cask list, no names I've heard of on there (but might be to someone else)
Its an Excel doc, am happy to share with anyone interested, DM me your email and I'll send it over.
@Aroogah i know you wanted to see it

edit: actually can I upoad it here?

1 Attachment

• For sale - Cask List 02.10.2020 updated.xlsx

I don't know what AYS means (assuming it was when it was initially made, but cannot fathom the acronym)

AYS= is it something to do with age statement?

ooh. Some proper names in there.

Glenrothes can do no wrong in my eyes. Most of those I've had before but it's been a while. Bliar Athol, MacDuff, Teaninich, etc.

I think @Chalfie is right about Age / Year statement - most likely the fill date.

I would take first fill Bourbon over refill but that's me being super picky and annoying.

Also. For container comparison

heh heh heh. "Butt"

Presumably the 2008 stuff could be bottled at our leisure (13yo is an unusual age whisky)
2015 would be at least 5 more years and the new stuff would be a full decade.

I'm not really interested in less than 10yo.

Should we make a Current Projects thread on this to get people's thoughts and preferences for the fabled Group Buy?

Probs.

Although expect us to show up in the golf thread immediately afterward

fist pump