Chat about Novel Coronavirus - 2019-nCoV - COVID-19

What happens if there is a lockdown from the 21st?
A nice extended break?

I believe you're allowed to return to your home if a lockdown occurs during a stay elsewhere.

If not, I could just test my eyesight.

Sorry to hear about your holiday but thanks for confirming the date :/

We were/are hoping to book a last minute trip to Puglia or Calabria for some sun before it goes on the 20th funnily enough. Less and less sure there's any chance of this happening.

We are meant to have the builders coming in this week to do work which was meant to happen much earlier in the year but got derailed by the first lockdown. I really hope it happens this week as I'm not sure it will if it doesn't.

In all seriousness there is a meeting happening next week (I don't know why it's taken so long to happen) about additional measures in London. If the outcome of that is a London-wide lockdown I'd expect it to come in from Monday 12th. John Biggs (Mayor of Tower Hamlets) is currently calling for people in TH not to visit other households as it's got so bad there.

You're welcome.

We're in North Hertfordshire so not worried about the impending lockdown and local case rates aren't rising that rapidly. There will have to be a countrywide lockdown at some point though. It just seems inevitable.

We were supposed to be spending all of October at my parent's place in France (leaving today...) but didn't want to have 14 days of quarantine when we returned because of the little one. It now seems likely we'll be locked down and not have the month in France anyway so...

In related news I'm on call for work this weekend and have been talking to a London local authority and PHE about an outbreak in one of our buildings. Except it's officially not an outbreak, because PHE have decided that if anyone who hasn't already caught it self-isolates for two weeks they don't need to call it an outbreak.

And despite being told since January that in the event of an outbreak PHE will lead on media response if we start getting media enquiries, apparently they're not going to do that and I have to do it...

It does and it just feels like Groundhog Day doesn't it, as in the Government know what's happening but aren't moving quickly enough, just like in March.

I'd go for it if I was you as long as work aren't counting on you being in an office any time soon. We don't really have anywhere we could go and do that (we did, in Scotland, but now we're not allowed to go) but if we did I probably would.

I'd go for it if I was you as long as work aren't counting on you being in an office any time soon.

I'd love to but the wife is a firm no on it. Totally understand.

My parents are now coming back early but were due to be there for a few more weeks so would have been their to support with the baby then the wife's parents were due to come for a week too so more support.

If we left now, it'd be a month in an isolated village (no shops etc) with no parental support with me working horrendous hours. At least she gets support here. For example, I've had to work this weekend so just been stuck at my desk (at home) and she's been able to go to her parents up the road and chill for a bit.

Out of curiosity, did you book this before April? If not what persuaded you to book with AirB&B over a platform where there is a bit more consumer protection?

Nope. Booked in August. It was booked after France was added to the quarantine list.

It was booked on Airbnb because we couldn't find anything child friendly, with availability, in the areas we wanted, at the time we wanted, on any other platform.

It's OK for me to say that, we don't have kids.

This time last year, we'd be there already. May have even spent the whole summer there.

We'll be down there again. Tough with a 10 week old.

Ta. I have some overlap with them in my line of work. I’m honestly surprised that there are people still willing to risk non refundable deposits in this day and age.

I can't really see how a second lockdown isn't coming within the next fortnight.

I think the question is will it be different to the first lockdown? Eg will schools stay open but pubs shut?

It was definitely a last resort / slightly calculated risk

All the messaging so far suggests schools will stay open in a second lockdown (universities I'd expect to go online), and I can't imagine the Tory MP nutter fringe going with school closures, but given the clusterfucks thus far, who knows?

Eg will schools stay open but pubs shut?

I’m still somewhat surprised pubs wasn’t shut after school is opened.

To offer some hope: we had a similar experience with an Airbnb in France, booked before any travel restrictions etc (though we were coming from NL). We decided to cancel it two weeks before due to potential quarantine-upon-return, sent the owner a message explaining why we were asking for a full refund, and got almost all of it back. I think the very low Airbnb fees were what we didn't get back.

Swiss study on Covid precautions adoption in the UK population.

https://iaap-journals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/aphw.12235

Dido Harding's track and trace system gets data wrong because Excel

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Sigh.

Excel is great, but this is the proverbial "if all you have is Excel, every tab looks like a database"

Bets on it being in Excel 2003 with row restriction of 2^16?

Actually I think its more likely to be case of them running out of columns (16,384 max).

Tallies with the number of cases they failed to report. How and why they have a case per column is anybodys guess

i've just been for a haircut and had to share what the hairdresser said to me.

we were talking about the exam fiasco, i blamed the government and then the conversation lurched like this: she said 'I don't blame any government because it is new' meaning c19 and I offered that the high death toll in the UK, one of the richest countries in the world, might be reason to hold the government to account. she defended the government by saying that one customer came in saying that someone in her family had died in a car crash and it was recorded that they had C19 (the hairdresser didn't explicitly say she had been told the victim was reported on a death certificate as having died from it but this was what both parties had assumed). i asked her if she really meant that the high ranking of the UK death toll was due to a massive conspiracy on the part of doctors to inflate results and that she thought this because of the story she had heard from her customer and she said yes. then she said a whole load of disjointed whacky stuff, I was a little shocked and frightened to go any further so I just nodded for the rest of the time.

Thinking about it, if you're doing a data transformation with a view to exporting to csv to import in a particular way, I can see how they would get into a really nasty mess like that.

Taken from a Daily Mail article on a Oxford study on this very matter:

"Using the university's data this suggest that 45,683 died from coronavirus than the Government's figure of 49,560."

So its true that its possible that somebody can be counted as a Covid death when Covid wasn't the cause of death but its not exactly widespread.