EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

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  • Exactly - Johnson was elected to "get Brexit done" with his "oven ready deal", the deal of course which is now so far beyond the pale that we must break International Law to avoid it's consequences.

    He could call an election to win re-election with a fresh manifesto commitment of "Lets break International Law", of course.

  • If there's one thing we know about this government it's that 'convention' means nothing to them. Which, in itself, isn't necessarily a bad thing. Just the conventions they are breaking.
    A snap election in a pandemic? I doubt it.

  • Johnson was elected to "get Brexit done"

    This statement is vague as it can easily translate as “let try and get Brexit out of the way” mean for better or worse, he got it “done”, not “negotiable a good deal, preserve UK right, etc. etc.”

    Techinically what he’s doing, is getting Brexit done.

  • Which is why Starmer is asking Boris why he’s fucking up his global Britain promise- the Brexit Dividend.

    Brexit is done, we have left- now we have to make a success of it. Johnson is therefore stuck on the horns of his own promises, and now has to wriggle.

  • Starmer is saying that labour will support the IM bill if Johnson removes all the bits that he needs to fulfil his promises- so the ERG won’t be able to block the bill if Johnson rows back on breaking international law.

    But if course the bill then just shits on devolution- it doesn’t resolve export declarations/over-rule the JC, and Johnson will have had to use Labour votes to get legislation passed whilst he has a theoretical 80 seat majority.

  • So the Japan trade deal holds us a stricter state aid position than th EU are pushing for, shows that the current shambles is all theatre for the die hards
    https://www.ft.com/content/edb7d155-56b4-4065-9f83-31b2247fa178

  • It’s also not signed yet- and won’t be until at the earliest Jan 2021 IIRC. What’s the betting that stronger dispute resolution terms are being drafted right now?

  • What's the betting De Pfeffer won't try and re-write the deal on a pick'n'mix basis with domestic legislation, like the Withdrawal Agreement he negotiated and so enthusiastically supported?

  • Hah, that wasn't in the BBC summary of the agreement.

  • What's the betting De Pfeffer won't try and re-write the deal on a pick'n'mix basis with domestic legislation, like the Withdrawal Agreement he negotiated and so enthusiastically supported?

    Which is why if I were Japan I'd ensure that there were plenty of punitive measures built in.

    Challenge is that the deal is much better for Japan than it is for us in terms of balance of trade IIRC, so they have more to lose.

  • https://www.theregister.com/2020/09/14/uk_and_japan_digital_trade_deal/

    Does not seem to include data protection, though the EU thinks Japan's data protection is decent.

    Well, unlike the UKs one then.

  • Ed Milliband shreading Boris in the commons, most enjoyable

  • Brutal wasn’t it?

  • Milliband was excellent. A wall of arguments on why this is complete horseshit.

    Will still get voted through though...

    Imagine what chaos with Ed would have been like. If only.

  • I'd almost forgotten what a poor speaker Miliband is. He was obviously right and well-briefed, but his delivery was appalling--badly-timed, overly excitable when in delivering arguments like this he should be calm and collected, and frequently slipping. It didn't touch Johnson in the slightest.

  • Got to agree. The content was good, delivery was very poor which is a pity. Someone like Starmer with a clearer delivery might have made Boris sweat a bit more with the same material.

  • might have made Boris sweat a bit more with the same material.

    Why would he sweat when he know he have a majority?

  • Why would he sweat when he know he have a majority?

    Exactly. And add to that he knows he doesn't have to answer the questions / points put across during the debate anyway (because he isn't required to make a response, unlike PMQs where he never answers the question anyway, and he can rely one of his sycophant crusties going in with a long diatribe of bile and bluster and lies to completely take the heat off) . Nobody in the media seems to want to ask the awkward questions or they get cut off the lists for No10. The whole thing is a crock of shit.

  • Why would he sweat when he know he have a majority?

    Yeah, this. He doesn't give a shit how good the arguments against are because he knows that the tory mps are so piss-weak and malleable that he can get anything through. He barely even bothered with his own argument.
    What is happening to politics in this country is a tragedy.

  • As this article says, we’ve fired our own hands repeatedly and played them badly, repeatedly;

    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/09/britain-brexit-humbling/616343/

  • They don't need to worry. Most people will read headlines like this and think they are doing just great.


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  • A complicit press and weak MP's really is a winning formula for Bojo and Dom

  • Ed Milliband's performance will be disparaged by the rightwing press sycophants,
    but,
    the damage has been done within the Tory party.
    Which MP enjoys seeing their leader belittled and left speechless?
    Any Tory MP who was a lawyer or barrister won't want to support this legislation,
    and,
    any Tory MP who continues in, or wishes to return to, legal practice,
    cannot support this Bill.
    Remember it has never been easier to contact your MP.
    A quick email voicing your dis-satisfaction adds to the fabled 'backbencher discontent'.

  • any Tory MP who continues in, or wishes to return to, legal practice, cannot support this Bill

    Given most are nailed-on careerists, that probably doesn't carry the weight it should.

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