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I'm obviously talking about realistic scenarios. There, the time is the one crucial factor--people sitting in an office in South Korea with air conditioning blowing the virus all over them, people sitting on trains, etc. Obviously, it's perfectly conceivable that someone might aggressively try to infect someone else, and I'm sure that's already happened (we had those spitting cases, although they were ruled not to have been the cause). It's not very important for general risk.
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although they were ruled not to have been the cause
AFAIK, there wasn’t actually a ruling saying the slitting didn’t kill people. Rather the CPS didn’t press charges because they didn’t think they could prove a causal link/guilt in court, because (eg) Belly Mujinga (40y/o TFL worker) could have gotten sick from anyone so their evidence was circumstantial at best. Not quite the same, but I may have missed a ruling somewhere.
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Ah yes, I think the headline here is misleading:
Coronavirus: Death of Belly Mujinga 'not linked to spit attack'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-52853859
"Following a review of all the information, senior detectives have concluded that there is no evidence to substantiate any criminal offences having taken place," it said.
I suppose this can be interpreted in various ways. I'm not an expert in what exactly they mean by this.
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I watched the thing on BBC last night with those two twin doctors (the Van Tulleken brothers).
One of them had recovered from Covid but has been left with a weird heart arrhythmia. At one point he was admitted as his HR was over 170. They had to shock him to stop and restart his heart. That was a harrowing watch. The flat line went on for an age. His brother watching, as another doctor, was in bits, understandably. The affected one doesn't know if this is something he is going to have to live with forever or if it will go away.
Something about small clots in the lungs during the illness spreading to other parts of the body. Maybe, they're not totally sure. They were also looking at brain injuries and strokes as side effects of the illness.
They did also show an older chap who was properly on death's door in ICU for weeks who looked like he was recovering well. It's just a total unknown. They have no idea why some poeple survive and some don't (given similar medical histories - obviously more already compromised people fair worse).
It was a difficult watch.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-53668619 pubs that don't serve food won't re-open and masks now mandatory that's good
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-53678920 all pupils to go back to school, well... that's good if teachers are safe, but I suspect at some point covid may get dragged in to the house by my son. May need to install a screen at the dinner table ;)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53675467
The Governor of the Bank of England has backed the government's decision to end its furlough scheme in October.
Andrew Bailey told the BBC it was important that policymakers helped workers "move forward" and not keep them in unproductive jobs.
Move forward to permanent unemployment? My partner got f-all help, not even a cheap loan to re-skill. Ugh...
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If Cummings wasn't in Durham on 19 April it really would be easy for them to clear this up wouldn't it?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/aug/06/prove-dominic-cummings-did-not-make-second-durham-trip-no-10-urgedPresumably the complaints to the IOPC won't go anywhere either as they'll get leant on to.
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Younger people are even less likely to accept it. With all the savage memes skewering anti vaccers my son watches that's a bit of surprise :)
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So when the UK government says "school transmission rare" my brain goes "doubt"
The Netherlands did some data digging and it seems to hold true.
https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronavirus-covid-19/children-and-covid-19
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So when the UK government says ... my brain goes "doubt"
I suspect that there might be significant links between that and your previous post - about whether anyone will take a vaccine when told it's available by the UK govt
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I suspect that there might be significant links between that and your previous post - about whether anyone will take a vaccine when told it's available by the UK govt
I wouldn't put too much into the way that poll was reported. It also found ~75% of the UK population was fairly likely+ to get a hypothetical vaccine with no information about it. Only 4% reported that they would not get it, although another 12% were (very) skeptical.
The headline and article were misleading, IMO. It - importantly - shows that there is uncertainty around vaccines, unfortunately, but I would be very curious to see results for similar polls elsewhere in Europe. I can imagine similar results - and potentially worse in some cases (Germany, perhaps?).
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They think online anti-vaccers and young people with their attitude to mortality play more of a role there.
I had/have an uncle (now deceased) who got polio before there was a vaccine and always walked with a limp after it. So as kids we just took them and never complained. I don't know if "the kids these days" have many experiences like that...
Perhaps there is a link between government mistrust and vaccinations, let's hope not cos we are all doomed then... again ;)
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Netherlands 59/100 fine, 18/100 definitely not, 23/100 thinking about it. Some people just wonder it is works, maybe the virus mutates too much. Other thinks maybe it will be too rushed and less safe. Those are questions you can deal with as a government with good information?
People at risk more likely to accept, young people less likely. Be aware this is just one poll.
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Mine (local supermarket team) are now masking up now that NI made it mandatory.
I was joking they should do "masks for life" they said they will get ones with logos on it.
But yeah, strange. The local pub waitress also didn't wear one, we had lunch (before the eat out...) as they cooked meals for people during lockdown so happy to help them a bit.
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Netherlands 59/100 fine, 18/100 definitely not, 23/100 thinking about it.
People at risk more likely to accept, young people less likely. Be aware this is just one poll.Similar results - maybe a bit worse - to the UK then.
Some people just wonder it is works, maybe the virus mutates too much. Other thinks maybe it will be too rushed and less safe. Those are questions you can deal with as a government with good information?
I would hope so. And knowing where you're starting from is probably pretty important to knowing how to address those people/what issues you should engage with.
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does the government guidelines about wearing masks not apply to them?
Mask wearing in shops in England is the law, not just guidelines, but people working in shops are excluded.
The requirement in paragraph (1) does not apply ... to a person responsible for a relevant place or an employee of that person acting in the course of their employment
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/791/regulation/3/made
I'm not sure how much a supermarket employee can reduce their personal risk by wearing a basic face covering rather than an FFP3 mask, face shield, gown, gloves etc.
IMHO they should wear a mask to reduce the probability of passing on an infection if they are asymptomatic, like the rest of us.
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There better not be more "Barnard Castle" trips, as that did a lot of damage.
I suppose the PM getting a public vaccination will help convince some people, but for younger people who are less likely to vote Cons/watch TV social media campaigns may be required. Facebook, Instagram, Tiktok, the right role models.
I sound like a very old person now... :D
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My GP has just told me to get a COVID test done before going in for my appoinment in 2 weeks time as I have a presisting cough due to my asthma, no other symptom whatsoever. I have found the whole exercise rather pointless. I am not against doing the test at all, but the intent and timing makes it a bit of a waste of resource in my opinion.
So I have ordered the home testing kit which will arrive in the next couple of days, I will then send it back and it will take a day or 2 before I get my result back, then there will at least a few days before my appointment, so what if I catch the virus between the test and my appointment? I understand why she has asked me to do it but I don't understand why can't I just walk in to see her the very moment after I get my test results... ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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Anyone else noticed the number of supermarket employees not wearing masks? I feel like if I were in a similar job, I'd definitely try to minimise my risk personally
Masks protect other people from infections you carry really, not so much yourself from others, although the science isn't definitive.
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It's a significant factor, yes, but it's not the only one. A brief but intensive eyeball-licking session with a Plague Person is also inadvisable.