• Condor Bivio are rather close to road bikes

    that's why I quite like the look of it.

    I chose the Grail because the review sites seem to love it, BikeRadar put it top of their list of best gravel bikes
    https://www.bikeradar.com/advice/buyers-guides/best-gravel-bikes/

    The Cannondale Topstone is another popular one and that has even slacker angles, 71.2 deg head tube in size large. I have no positive comments about the slack head tubes on the Crux and Super X, I mean it must work for some people but I find the handling weird when you get to 71 degrees like the Super X.

    It seems like "gravel" bikes are getting further and further away from road bikes, I guess as manufacturers try and differentiate themselves by having more mounts, more space for bags, more complience, more clearance etc. There's definitely a market for bikes you can build up like this

    I just don't think it's nevessary for people who do road rides with a bit of mud thrown in.

  • I have no positive comments about the slack head tubes on the Crux and Super X, I mean it must work for some people but I find the handling weird when you get to 71 degrees like the Super X.

    It seems like "gravel" bikes are getting further and further away from road bikes

    Yeah, I like a bit steeper angle for road riding too. So those two cross bikes wouldn't be my choice, though for actual cx races sure. Neither would one of the high stack drop bar mtbs. And cx race bikes might miss bottle and guard mounts.

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