• Disappointing fruitless discussion today with a bigoted relative. A good lesson in preparing for such discussions better.

    One thing that might be useful to share the main issues they had, and where the conversation got stuck:

    1. Statues. Statues. Statues. This has clearly become a very effective distraction.
    2. Lack of democratic process (statues again).
    3. Erasing history (again you guessed it).

    Tl;Dr was "I don't like the way they've gone about it."

    Also a good lesson in when to have these sorts of discussions.

  • Erasing history (again you guessed it).

    The joke about the "Erasing history" claim is that most people had never heard of these bastards before their statues were pulled down. UK cities and towns are full of statues to people almost nobody remembers. People walk past those statues every day and never think about them, so they clearly don't do anything to preserve history.

    Most Brits were quite happy to have collectively erased awkward history from their memories. It's history being unerased that they don't like.

  • Most Brits were quite happy to have collectively erased awkward history from their memories. It's history being unerased that they don't like.

    It seems kind of odd to me that despite a large part of British identity being based recent(ish) imperial dominance, barely any of that is covered in historical education, either in schools or mainstream historical media. It's just too awkward, and the avoidance of this part of our history has built up a resistance to the reflection that in international relations, with the exception of one World War, WE have been the baddies.

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