• Disappointing fruitless discussion today with a bigoted relative. A good lesson in preparing for such discussions better.

    One thing that might be useful to share the main issues they had, and where the conversation got stuck:

    1. Statues. Statues. Statues. This has clearly become a very effective distraction.
    2. Lack of democratic process (statues again).
    3. Erasing history (again you guessed it).

    Tl;Dr was "I don't like the way they've gone about it."

    Also a good lesson in when to have these sorts of discussions.

  • Had the exact same with my dad, who I don't consider racist and has worked around the world, with many different people of differing skin colour.

    His statement that white men are hated around the world and there is a lot of racism against whites people is hard to argue against but it's not the point.

  • His statement that white men are hated around the world and there is a lot of racism against whites people

    I think people just hate the English/British because we're cunts and we probably fucked them over in the past, or more recently trashed their city when the football was on.

  • Have had family members who worked in the oil industry in Saudi arabia et al. They had some odd views of the local population, when the only real interaction with the locals were as servers or servants.

  • His statement that white men are hated around the world and there is a lot of racism against whites people is hard to argue against

    Well it's certainly not my experience. I can't think of any time that, as a white man, I've felt myself the victim of racism, and I've travelled pretty far and wide in my time. OK, the secretaries in the Bangkok law firm where I spent 6 weeks doing work experience all claimed I looked like Elvis Presley, despite the fact I don't - apart from being white and having (in those days) black hair. Other than that - and I chalk that up as an amusing anecdote rather than a sign of racist oppression - I can't think of a single instance where I've felt that I've been treated in a negative way due to the colour of my skin.

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