Chat about Novel Coronavirus - 2019-nCoV - COVID-19

All I know is that when I got pneumonia last year (on top of lung damage from extreme cold exposre), it took months for my lungs to get back to normal. The idea that somebody recovering from covid19 still has lung problems a few weeks later doesn't seem shocking to me.

Yeah this.

Pneumonia is serious, ppl die from it and takes months to recover from.

Have you got a source for this?

Edit: read on and seen the source!

The nipple rings on the lung X-ray seem somehow incongruous

heavily armed

Go with the Dave Chappelle solution to introduce gun control in ´Murica.

A Month ago everybody was panic buying bog roll and pasta and screaming for the lockdown now they want to get back to normal.

Not according to the polling:
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2020/04/16/73305/1

This survey found that Brits are among the most supportive of lockdown measures: 74 per cent say they are happy to prioritise limits on personal movement even if it means costs to the economy – compared to 61 per cent in the US – and 54 per cent in Germany and Sweden.
https://www.kekstcnc.com/insights/covid-19-opinion-tracker-edition-1

Not sure whether this has been linked yet: College of Policing - "What constitutes a reasonable excuse to leave the place where you live" (pdf)

Yes https://www.lfgss.com/comments/15219952/ but it was buried in the middle of that and didn't raise any specific comments.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/19/fire-wrecks-greek-migrant-camp-after-iraqi-death-sparks-unrest

An earlier lockdown may have changed current death total, it seems very unclear if that’d be the case finally though?

This is a mistake. Dying now is definitely not preferable to dying in six months, or near-death in six months, because there is less, panic, dysfunction, better knowledge and practices. Maybe even treatment.

Nothing like hindsight.

We knew what would happen. Many of us here spelled it the fuck out. We had a living model in Italy and Spain of what would happen.

Hesitance from a leadership distracted by alternative-narrative bullshit means we had the best chance and performed the worst.

My girlfriends sister had it a few months ago and has still been feeling it on the chest, the dr has said she now has asthma so something is definitely lingering on her lungs.

Is that not pretty speculative? Could that not all be flipped?
Other than a treatment or vaccine. But I guess that could have a negative outcome too.

They aren't there now because of corona concerns - they're at home, getting worse.

This is why I am asking a while ago about how many people have die due to neglicent rather than COVID-19.

...much stricter gun laws were brought in to stop them doing so.

Sounds like an ironic but effective future strategy for the left: effect stricter gun laws through protest whilst bearing arms :)

Your argument is for death now over death tomorrow?

Speculating that we’ll know more about migrating c19 in the future than we do today, is pretty safe.

Other than a treatment or vaccine. But I guess that could have a negative outcome too.

Now that’s speculation.

But one born in history no?
I’m not saying you are wrong but it seems overly simplistic to say 2 deaths today would only be say 1 in 6 months.

If healthcare workers continue to be as affected outcomes could feasibly get worse?
Maybe I’m just a bit doom and gloom today.

I’m not saying you are wrong but it seems overly simplistic to say 2 deaths today would only be say 1 in 6 months.

Or, hypothetically, 2 deaths from Covid-19 today or 1 death from Covid-19 and one suicide in 6 months? Or ...

A prolonged lockdown (to prevent a larger proportion of earlier deaths) will come at a different set of costs. Predicting exactly what/how/etc is quite rightly impossible, and it's impossible to work out how the various aspects would play out against each other.

Many of us here spelled it the fuck out.

A mere month or so back any suggestion that the UK should perhaps follow WHO guidance (test and trace the fuck out of this, isolate the infected and worst come to worst, lock down) was met with name-calling.

"Every able-bodied African-American must register for a legal firearm. That’s the only way they’ll change the law." Chappelle (Sticks & Stones standup)

Just to clarify... are you suggesting that a vaccine for c19 is likely to do more harm than good? I’m aware there are dangers and pressures to rush but that seems unlikely to me.

The cost/benefit analysis is ridiculously complex. I’m deeply suspicious of the argument to let people die now. I believe if the situation is too complex to calculate or has ambiguity you should, within reason just do what is immediately, morally right.

Like I said up thread, alternative narratives (that happen to align with money) have already done irreparable damage.

A more constructive way-and the way Germany has put it-is into a question of managing the health service so that it doesn't get overwhelmed and people don't die needlessly.

Merkel's explanation of what Germany was trying to achieve is head and shoulders above the UK Government's dialogue with us about what they're doing and why:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2020/apr/16/merkel-sets-out-clear-explanation-of-how-coronavirus-transmission-works-video

The classic one:

Ma wife is a public health expert specialising in infectious disease control. She isn't working with COVID-19 but her colleagues are and have been cited in this thread. Anyway, here's her opinion on the UK gov's response based on a several recent posts in this thread:

'The UK has the largest pool of public health experts in the world. The decision to delay the closure of schools for example is to balance the benefits of containment whilst the reducing the risk of public complacency because of prolonged or premature containment policies. The disruptions to social and economic normalcy also have significant consequences which are too numerous to list. There is no Tory agenda with our [current UK] method, the government is deferring to experts who have a well thought-out plan. It's up to the government to convey the messages properly, their credibility issues notwithstanding. Finally, herd immunity is real and there are too many people who know don't know anything speculating and spouting off on a subject of which they have no real understanding. And they don't need to understand it anyway. Just follow the fucking advice of experts, we have plenty of them and their only agenda is public well-being. We're [the UK] not being complacent.'

I did not want to name names but yes, this. Once again, no country owns experts. The postcode of the restaurant where they order their daily dose of suckling pig means fuck all.