Chat about Novel Coronavirus - 2019-nCoV - COVID-19

Didn't the Duke of Grosvenor pony up £10m yesterday? At least he should match Captain Tom...

Isn't the point that its a worst case scenario facility that they could never reasonably be expected to staff with qualified and trained people anyway? I.e if things get bad enough to need it, they never intended it to be staffed with critical care specialists but it'd still be better than nothing...

EDIT: Doesn't sound like that is how it is being used, but certainly fits with my understanding of how it was intended.

After the epidemic the disease becomes endemic, like influenza, but worse but hopefully more targeted with policies of testing and quarantine.

Is Nightingale under-staffed? The Indy article doesn’t mention that.

I know it was designed for minimal staff and a kind of sub tier to true intensive care.

It's my understanding that it's just more capacity. It's not specifically for terminal cases, nor specifically for the milder end of the severe cases.

The cases there at the moment are just testing it out. The hope is that it doesn't have to be used to anywhere near capacity.

But, given the way the media in this country works, if they didn't build it and we were under capacity required the Government would be (quite rightly) pilloried. If they do build it, just in case, and it doesn't get used to capacity, the Government are lambasted for wasting resources.

Guessing the exact requirements months in advance isn't exactly easy.

f they do build it, just in case, and it doesn't get used to capacity, the Government are lambasted for wasting resources.

Perfect way to describe the media reaction to how the UK gov reacted to Swine Flu.

Guessing the exact requirements months in advance isn't exactly easy.

Well, you guess what the worse case scenario is. And you hope/plan for the worse case scenario not to happen.

it's a fantastic effort. The NHS should be better funded so as to negate the need for any of this. seeing that cunt hancock big him up with out a hint of irony reaching across his smug chops was particularly grating.

Someone earning £50k pays about 10% of that towards Health and Welfare. The EU contribution was/is 0.2% yet they complained about spending that.
I'd be happy to pay more, but there are lot of people out there with short memories who will forget about the NHS when this is over. If there was to be one good thing that comes from Covid it should be an overhaul of the whole welfare system

Guessing the exact requirements months in advance isn't exactly easy.

Well, you guess what the worse case scenario is. And you hope/plan for the worse case scenario not to happen.

That's my point. If you don't guess perfectly, and you end up having some spare capacity because you never hit the peak you expected, then some parts of the media will claim you've been wasting resources.

Also, even if you guess the peak perfectly, you've got the period either side of the peak where you won't be at capacity and therefore "wasting resources" if viewed through a similar bullshit lens.

What’s up with the police? I kept seeing a group of 10-15 all huddled together outside shop, takeaway and houses.

Social distancing for everyone but the force.

It has taken me 3 weeks to get out of the 24hr news cycle anxiety death spiral but feeling much better now, was feeling pretty strange mentally for a week or so when we had to self isolate at home.

Ha, that's cool. Will bear in mind if I get round to ordering.
Might being the market for a new crankset so funds diverted that way

Well, it won't just go back to normal. It'll be less restriction and more broad testing, isolating clusters and super diligent contact tracing, but also the chance of lockdown measures on and off depending on the situation.

SA down 0 yesterday, 1 today.

Looking at worldometers countries with hotter climates seem to be experiencing less aggressive epidemics. Are there any data or studies to support this?

No idea what you expect but it's hardly possible for them. Takeaway is something else though.

Same deal in Sweden. Emergency hospitals built but the shortage so far isn't beds but staff...

Isn't that very likely a consequence of a large majority of the countries doing aggressive testing being in the less hot climates, plus the fact that Europe became the first 'hotspot' of the pandemic after China and will therefore have more deaths at this point as well?

Quick look,whuch was
Environment temperature and covid 19

Will bring back data from China and Chinese studies.

Pubmed search should include terms
Coronavirus
And temperature
And environment
And/or humidity

Google scholar/pubmed is the best ace for this

No idea what you expect.

Maybe actually attempt to reduce spread by not having all of them huddling together trying to talk to the people in close proximity (look like it’s about people wanting to get kebab for take away but was going inside)

Also Syria for example has 65 ventilators and 200 tests.

But a fuckload of other shit going on.

Yemen. Also warm. Also a fuck load of other stuff.

https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/doi/10.1093/infdis/jiaa161/5815743?guestAccessKey=b19eb499-007a-4ebf-a4a8-bb6a7481ec0c

Captain Tom isn't raising any money for the NHS, and for once we actually do pretty much have a blank cheque to deal with the pandemic.

Captain Tom is raising money for charities who provide services in support of NHS staff + volunteers e.g. they chip in for our Christmas parties that you might not actually want taxpayers to fund.

https://www.nhscharitiestogether.co.uk/what-we-do/

The fact Nightingale exists possibly contributed to Nightingale not actually being needed.

Just looking at the funding for the WHO. Largest funders (or whatever the word should be) appear to be the US, UK and Bill Gates with Germany, Japan and Kuwait coming after that.

It seems a bit random. Anyone any idea how it all came about?

I was thinking something similar