Chat about Novel Coronavirus - 2019-nCoV - COVID-19

Fingers crossed for what?

That COVID-19 does the job that thousands of semi-digested cheeseburgers and a persistent case of syphilis couldn't do...

(just guessing)

Lol

Maybe, like staff/humans anywhere at all but an additional calculation is that health workers who have children and will be needed at any hour of the day may not have alternative childcare arrangements.

I have definitely used bad judgment in replying to both you and damo. I should have ignored both posts, as neither has anything to do with what I was interested in from the original post by lowbrows.

[Edit] I've edited out the comments to damo which were unconstructive. Happy to acknowledge that frustration got the better of me.

Righto.

Edit: I'm responding in this way because there have been a number of interactions in the last day that seem to suggest people on here are not listening / reading. Like "the cmonsays let all young people get it and then care for elderly"

And
Vitamin d will save the day!!

Fingers crossed the president of Brazil recovers, obvs.

Can’t think what else you’d think I’d be crossing them for.

Someone told me that infants and kids have a more aggressive immune system, and of course they have healthy, virginal lungs

Let’s not forget the evidence from thousands of cases where around 0.2% of kids who contract the virus die of covid-19.

Happy to edit stuff as I don't want to be a shoutynprick

My intention wasn't 'I think you are wrong so show me your evidence'.

My intention was, there appears to be some consensus that children are less at risk then the elderly in the case of Sars-Cov-2, which was again reflected in the advice from the CMO yesterday. I might be misremembering, but I think CMO went as far as saying that was due to the different immune response of kids. As a parent of young kids I took some comfort from that.

I think what I was trying to understand was if Lowbrows was looking at specific data / sources that called that into question or overturned that view in the case of this pandemic. Or whether it was just a general caution about children.

Children are always a risk group with respiratory illness, I'm guessing because they're small and their systems are small and it's easy to disturb them.

Low risk does not equal no risk.

(Agreeing with your point).

Anyone been to Rome ?
This is live I think
https://www.skylinewebcams.com/en/webcam/italia/lazio/roma/fontana-di-trevi.html

Cool.
I just took lobrows comment as "children are always a concern".

See my edited redaction.

I asked last night, some clips here

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-51847128

I think we're all stressed about it to a level and all trying to understand as best we can (from different starting points of knowledge / expertise / frame of reference). Also happy to acknowledge that stuff I write sounds more strident / direct / shouty on the page then it does in my head. I think we're all trying to comment in good faith, but it is easy to get the tone wrong and/ or infer the wrong thing.

Internet high fives.

SARS given to mice

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/10/coronavirus-is-mysteriously-sparing-kids-killing-elderly-understanding-why-may-help-defeat-virus/

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https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf

Key points on kids:
Children
Data on individuals aged 18 years old and under suggest that there is a relatively low attack rate in this age group (2.4% of all reported cases). Within Wuhan, among testing of ILI samples, no children were positive in November and December of 2019 and in the first two weeks of January 2020. From available data, and in the absence of results from serologic studies, it is not possible to determine the extent of infection among children, what role children play in transmission, whether children are less susceptible or if they present differently clinically (i.e. generally milder presentations). The Joint Mission learned that infected children have largely been identified through contact tracing in households of adults. Of note, people interviewed by the Joint Mission Team could not recall episodes in which transmission occurred from a child to an adult.

And
Individuals at highest risk for severe disease and death include people aged over 60 years and those with underlying conditions such as hypertension, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, chronic respiratory disease and cancer. Disease in children appears to be relatively rare and mild with approximately 2.4% of the total reported cases reported amongst individuals aged under 19 years. A very small proportion of those aged under 19 years have developed severe (2.5%) or critical disease (0.2%).

To my understanding the CMO said we are 4 weeks behind Italy. It was however unclear on what measure, deaths, infections, infection rate... something else? Purchases of geese?

Seems to me like the first point to judge our current path in the UK is how this prediction stands in 4 weeks.

Anyone who has read The Enemy series by Charlie Higson will know where this ends up.

(Spoiler - the kids take over when mysterious disease turns adults into zombies).

To my understanding the CMO said we are 4 weeks behind Italy

I wonder if there is anything that Italy would have done differently four weeks ago knowing where it is today, and that that we're going to do now?

I didn't notice that there was - the football being called off, gatherings being cancelled, people wfh etc. all seems to be actions taken independently of government.

Id imagine sports etc being cancelled are because of liability rather than public health concerns.

Without wishing to down play all the excellent advice being given on a cycling forum, noticed this :-
.gov info
And was pleasantly surprised, even though I wouldn't trust any advice given directly by the muppet in charge, his experts have it nailed.