Chat about Novel Coronavirus - 2019-nCoV - COVID-19

To be clear you seem relatively well informed and I'm not saying we shouldn't discuss anything. But I don't think excessively-confident criticism of these critically important institutions is helpful when we don't have the full picture and in a time where trust in experts is at some historic low. That road leads to anti-vax/conspiracy nut idiocy.

Let them work.

It’s the vomiting from the post washing machine cycle I’m not looking forward too...

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You will always be cool in my books!

Will you play the ball (i.e. engage with the substance of what he said)?

I actually find it kinda difficult to get to the substance of what he's saying. He obviously doesn't like what's happened so far, and he obviously doesn't like the government, going so far as to describe the PM as superficial, which if we didn't live in such extraordinary times, is kinda extraordinary. And also not really playing the ball either, but there we go.

He admires what has happened in HK ('total'), which is fine, but like my posts in this thread here, we can't really behave like HK because we aren't China.

So I guess we have to believe him because he was a former regional director of public health for north-west England.

But given his obvious dislike of BJ, it's possible to feel he might have other motives alongside his obvious dedication to public health. It reads like a borderline rant with little actionable content. Which could just be shit reporting on the G's part.

Considering a few epidemiologists are anticipating this virus strain to become/ already was a seasonal strain- this may not be the worst logic.
[Dr. Mike Skinner/ Dr. Van Kerhove press interviews- I don't necessarily trust that as a decent source- but currently on a phone]

Fair comment, and I was over critical yesterday to use the phrase 'crushingly stupid'. I have respect and faith in PHE and CMO, less for the UK Government.

I take the point that was made yesterday that psychology is an important factor in the effectiveness of social distancing. It still feels like we are late taking measures. I recognize I am not especially informed or insightful. My understanding is informed by following the likes of @T_Inglesby and @mlipsitch who I think qualify as experts. They are worth looking at if not on your radar.

I doubt it will be a happy housemate if you're wiping your arse on it every day. That is the sort of thing that breeds intense hatred, I'd imagine.

Geese whose livers are destined to be pate rush toward the farmer when he appears to force-feed them, which suggests that if you take a pot of bird feed into the throne room in the morning then a happy household is not impossible to imagine.

Use the time to drink beer instead?

Write one off against that coffee...?
;-)

Screwface @ bangface to get off your face, posted to Facebook.

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So, the several consecutive days that he spent playing golf instead of dealing with the virus response.

That's when he exposed himself to it.

Well, worth a try anyway.

Those drugs will kill everything...

[Dr. Mike Skinner/ Dr. Van Kerhove press interviews- I don't necessarily trust that as a decent source- but currently on a phone]

He must have gone back to study after he left The Streets

Unless, after wiping, you then wash the swan or goose you're basically going to have something with your shit on it wandering about your house.

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It is a bit of a rant, but stuff that can be picked out:

• Replicating the Hong Kong approach. Maybe we couldn't do it fully, but are there aspects of the social distancing measures they have put in place that we could have adopted? Interested to know what @Ramsaye would say

• planning and transparency. Should Cobra have been convened earlier and is there a better / higher frequency way of providing the public with information and transparency on UK government planning.

• shortage of hospital capacity. Is sufficient being done in this space? I was interested by @lowbrows critique yesterday that an opportunity has been missed to draw on doctors and nurses not yet fully qualified

• public messages on preparation. Should government have been preparing people more for what is likely to be a set of conditions that are unheard of in most peoples lifetimes?

• travel. Should it have been made clear earlier or now that leisure travel should be avoided?

• support for elderly. What plans are in place to support the elderly / vulnerable people, to ensure they are able to obtain basic necessities?

You'll need a 9kg machine minimum for swan.

Let’s do this

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So you have no critique of UK government policy to date and there are no improvements that could have been made?

Well, sure, they could have shut airports, schools, footie matches a couple of weeks ago but who's gonna pay the bill for that? There could have been public broadcasts suggesting families get their shit together in case schools have to close but the smart ones will do that anyway and the average ones won't even if they are told to, or can't because they have no wiggle room. And as I've said the public will have only a finite level of patience for all this - once you open the 'this is fucking serious people!' window, you start a clock that counts down to point where either you've got your timing right and it's over, or as a politician you are out of a job because people will start not doing what you want because they are bored and they'll start engaging in behaviour that make things worse. Like rioting.

tl;dr It's easy for me to say well duh of course no football but I imagine decision making on this requires balancing some pretty crazy complex factors.

We'll only know if a good job was done (or a shit one, or more prosaically an acceptable one) after it's all over, maybe five, ten years after it's over.

Change your name to @golfandtricycle

We'll only know if a good job was done (or a shit one, or more prosaically an acceptable one) after it's all over, maybe five, ten years after it's over.

I'm pulling your leg now, but would you say the same for Brexit?

Government doing absolutely nothing it seems.

I'm pulling your leg now, but would you say the same for Brexit?

Fucking hell, I'd forgotten all about Brexit.

N x NW

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