General Election 2019

They're not going to be able to avoid it. Once we're out on the 31st then we're a third country, and I don't think anyone in the UK is prepared for how the EU negotiate with a third country.

Access to UK waters, level playing field commitments, possibly Gibraltar - these will all be tabled early by the EU and there's no way the UK can say "lets talk about those later".

If Johnson is intending on all-speed to WTO then this doesn't matter, but I would think that the damage to the economy as companies close and relocate would put the brakes on that.

yep, when cunts are worried that you'll take their house, then tax 90% of the wealth left over, the last thing the selfish cunts needed to think was that you'd then be giving free broadband to the povvs/pensions back to the boomer women/whatever that they'd be paying for.

Agree on the manifesto - it was too big, too intense and too soon

But one of the big reasons he has struggled is the constant stream of Labour MPs and former MPs telling everyone he was shit.

No doubt, bit it's a bit chicken and egg though isn't it?

Labour MP thinks Corbyn is a shit show and will loose them the election.

What do they do?

Try and remove him for someone who can win, or just sit in the passenger seat of a crashing car?

He'll lie about it. Like the Irish Sea border..

Johnson may do what he did to get the WAB, and capitulate totally whilst selling it as a win

Why the uncertainty?

Don't underestimate the massive issues around a border poll though... I've seen a lot of happy articles in English papers.

Meanwhile, a few miles from my front door a woman with 4 kids got chased out of her council house cos sectarianism. It'll take time, which we may not have.

Agreed on this, especially with the DUP out of the picture and the likelihood of a hard border diminishing.

If anything, the likelihood of a united Ireland is increasing, which will bring about action from loyalist paramilitaries.

Probably should've read to the end of the thread before posting my reply!

I’m similar.
Caused way more harm than good. Ill thought out. I had a leaflet that was promising 1 million social or affordable houses...
Corbyn turned in to everything he supposedly wasn’t.

He'll lie about it. Like the Irish Sea border..

It's interesting in a way - can simply denying that Spanish ships are fishing in UK waters do the job? Lying has got him this far, after all, and if this election has shown us anything its that the truth does not matter.

Why the uncertainty?

It'd cause the ERG to revolt, I think its reasonable to believe that they sold their support to Johnson for a WTO crash-out on 1st Jan 2021.

ROI wants the unionist to be on board and talk to them, but they don't want to talk with them.

And with them I mean the hardliners, many people don't care so much.

The areas where there is the most deprivation and poverty have also been let down by the DUP and I don't know how you can even unpick that...

SF also lost a voting share, a lot of people have had enough of this crap. If ROI comes up with an attractive package, it may happen, but they also get hit by Brexit.

It's interesting in a way - can simply denying that Spanish ships are fishing in UK waters do the job? Lying has got him this far, after all, and if this election has shown us anything its that the truth does not matter.

I think it can. No-one really cares about fish outside of Grimsby anyway. He was still banging on about 40 new hospitals this morning - it's not true, never been true, never will be but he repeats it ad nauseam. Will do the same for fish and whatever else now because he knows he can get away with it.

It'd cause the ERG to revolt, I think its reasonable to believe that they sold their support to Johnson for a WTO crash-out on 1st Jan 2021.

And now he doesn't need them. They know it too so will fall in line.

There's what, 40 or so of them? So yes, Johnson's majority is probably enough to sideline them.

We're now in for post-truth politics.

One positive I can take from this election is that both SF and the DUP lost a significant share of votes.

I imagine the prospect of reunification could undo that very quickly though.

As someone who lives in the south, and works in the north, I'd like a bit of stability!

But how many of the new cohort will be ERG inclined? I thought most new Tory candidates are brexit headbangers

It makes me so angry that an issue as unimportant as fishing rights has had such a prominent place in this whole shitstorm. 10,000 workers and £100 million in revenue. We've chosen that over the NHS and all the industries that rely on immigration.

I guess we can hope that Labour capitulate to the softest Brexit they can muster which will allow Boris to disregard the ERG. I've not got much faith though

But how many of the new cohort will be ERG inclined? I thought most new Tory candidates are brexit headbangers

That's a good point, and the answer is I don't know. Could be interesting for Johnson if he's got a big majority, but the largest faction within that cohort see Mogg as their idealogical leader rather than Johnson.

Christ - just seen Mark Francois increased his majority. 73% vote share.
31,819 voted for Chris Grayling.
31,021 voted for Daniel Kawczynski.
So depressing...

Think I might have a lie down.

If lab had sold their brexit policy as Leave with referendum, would that have worked? I wonder how many momentumers/centre dwellers would still have voted for them

If lab had sold their brexit policy

You could put a full-stop there.

No one can deny that their Brexit policy was always going to be longer than GBD. But fuck me, they could have at least synthesized their message.

The problem was point 1) get a "better" deal than Boris - wasn't believable so by the time you move on to 2) let the people decide on the facts - no one is listening.

It's hard to know how the leave genie could have been put back in its bottle - what works when fighting populism? It's clear that the message that "it's not your fault, it's immigrants - let's get rid of them to fix everything" worked.

I also think that Corbyn, and Labour under Corbyn, didn't seem relevant to working class voters.

I wonder, with a move to a more American society, where the least well off are often the most right wing, whether there actually is a route back to the traditional Labour core vote now.