Gravel / Gravé / Gnarmac / Groad / ATB

pointless dropper post.

Don't diss it till you tried to start off on a rocky 30% grade.

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Maybe I'm just a cynic, but how 'hard' does one really ride a 7000eur bike off road, when one also owns a MTB for such stuff.

Forget about the dropper post don’t those cane creek cranks cost around $1000 alone?

Not as hard as one is pushing the credit card limits

According to the Victoire website, the selection of tubes used in the frame - a combination of Columbus XCR, Life and Zona - means that the frame provides - cue drumroll - increased lateral stiffness and vertical compliance. BINGO!!!

Tyre clearance looks a bit marginal, the filing around the brake hose ports could be better, and I've no idea what's happened with the brazing between the chainstay.

Christ, that is not clearance. Bet it rubs.

Tyre clearance looks a bit marginal.

Could be photo proportion.

The biggest oddity for me is the brake bridges for a bike that doesn't have mount for mudguard.

• The frame and fork can accommodate very large tire sections (up to 700c * 45mm or 27.5 * 2.2)
  
  

Haven't realised wheels is 700c.

I suspect you're right, even if it is laterally rigid.

The biggest oddity for me is the brake bridges for a bike that doesn't have mount for mudguard.

Why? There's a perfectly good structural reason for having chainstay and seatstay bridges apart from needing to have something to hang a mudguard off, even with disk brakes.

Seems like there was a lack of discussion between customer and builder on tyre width use. As surly they could have built it with wider stays . Odd.

There's a perfectly good structural reason for having chainstay and seatstay bridges apart from needing to have something to hang a mudguard off.

It's less to do with that more to do with the gigantic gaps between the bridge and tyres.

As surly they could have built it with wider stays .

On the NDS, definitely. On the DS pushing the chainstay outwards might cause chainring clearance issues. It's a perennial problem if you want short stays but lots of tyre clearance.

In the photos it's fitted with 650b tyres. I assume the clearance is for use with large 700c tyres.

Haven't realised wheels is 700c.

In the photos they're not. They're 650 Road Plus size.

There's a perfectly good structural reason for having chainstay and seatstay bridges apart from needing to have something to hang a mudguard off, even with disk brakes.

And what is it? Curious, not doubting it.

Increased lateral stiffness. The bridge forms a triangle with the stays, which helps prevent the stays moving sideways under load, particularly the chainstays.

Pages translated from French didn’t help! That would make much more sense why there’s a big gap.

The updated Salsa Cutthroat is, well, interesting. 69 ht angle, short reach, 29x2.4", 445mm chainstays, rubber thumb screws to attach framebag.

https://bikepacking.com/bikes/salsa-cutthroat-v2-review/

Prettier than the old one though, which is surprising given the change in angles

I love this, especially the thumb screws that would be a boost to any bag makers.

Happily my French is just about good enough to make sense of it without the assistance of machine translation.

Pretty much same ht/st angle as my canyon exceed, I looked it up to see how it would ride.

Which begs the question, why buy that when you can buy mtb and fit rigid fork or suspension dependant on use.
On second look the reach is a shorter, hence running drops. 45mm shorter
Be interesting to see how it rides with that ht and drops.

Which begs the question, why buy that when you can buy mtb and fit rigid fork or suspension dependant on use.

You can't run road or GRX gearing (at the front anyway) on an MTB. You can with that.

Which begs the question, why buy that when you can buy mtb and fit rigid fork or suspension dependant on use.

A la Lael Wilcox.

Having said that, MTB are generally very long making drop bar conversion trickier, especially when it designed to be ridden with a short stem in the first place.